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Author Topic: KGO: Big Announcement Coming?  (Read 7022 times)
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 08:26:38 PM »

Isn't 98.5 ,92.3 ,and 104.9 in the Aloha Trust and up for sale?
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2008, 08:42:17 PM »

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And none of those are small market stations.  The only difference is that San Jose is in KGO's major lobe and it wouldn't add any coverage.

I have personal information that KSTN-FM will move off of MT. Diablo and re-license itself to somewhere in the East Bay such as Berkley.

Somehow they have figured out how to overcome the 2nd adjacent channel problem with 106.9 and 107.7.  Yes and that person has earned a lot more than most of us this past year. 

Regardless if it's for KGO or not, KSTN-FM was purchased to move to the Bay Area including off of MT. Diablo.

Does anyone else have some more insight on this? Boss Jock?

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 09:35:45 PM »

Newsperson responds:

And none of those are small market stations.  The only difference is that San Jose is in KGO's major lobe and it wouldn't add any coverage.

I have personal information that KSTN-FM will move off of MT. Diablo and re-license itself to somewhere in the East Bay such as Berkley.

Somehow they have figured out how to overcome the 2nd adjacent channel problem with 106.9 and 107.7.  Yes and that person has earned a lot more than most of us this past year. 

Regardless if it's for KGO or not, KSTN-FM was purchased to move to the Bay Area including off of MT. Diablo.

Does anyone else have some more insight on this? Boss Jock?

Newsperson

I'd love to see that engineering study.  It will become public information if and when it is applied for.   I doubt if the COL would be Berkeley.  They have to commercial allotments already.   My guess would be a city that would still be in reach of a city grade signal for allotment purposes.  Interesting, allotments may not be short spaced period.   Even using the one-step processes, they must have found a uninhabited location within protected 54 dbu contour KFRC-FM, and KSAN to contain all of the 100 dbu contour of a proposed move.  Still, allotment procedures usually don't allow for this.   BTW: Oakland is the only large city that I know of without a single FM station licensed to it.   


On another note.  This is a continuance of Stockton losing radio stations.  They're losing a usable signal of KOSO soon and now KSTN-FM.   This has to be one of the largest under-radioed markets out there.   Revenue wise, Stockton is week, but considering the fact that about only 30 percent of Stockton listeners are listening to Stockton radio, the  revenue is about right.

Case in point.  Let's say Stockton Automall were to purchase time on Modesto's KATM, KHKK, KHOP and  KOSO.  All of these stations have significant listening in Stockton, but the BIA revenue for these stations are contributed to Modesto's totals.

In essence....Modesto stations benefit form Stockton advertisers so the Modesto market revenue rank is higher than it's Arbitron metro ranking.  Conversely, Stockton's billing ranking is way lower than it's Arbitron ranking.

As a result, some operators like Clear Channel treat Stockton like an afterthought.  It really sounds stupid when you look at the logic.   Both Modesto and Stockton have like economies....High unemployment, high foreclosure rates, low paying jobs, similar number of retail stores and a fair number of people commuting to the Bay Area.  But you would think the corporate bean counters would look beyond the BIA totals and actually look at who's advertising rather than saying all the money is in Modesto.

Perhaps I should move this to the Central California board.


I have to hand it to Independence Media if they can pull off a move-in like that.  That would increase the value of KSTN-FM many fold.







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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 12:00:04 AM »

Hello Michael,

What's happenin'?

We can leave this on the San Francisco board becasue Independence Media the buyers of KSTN AM& FM have stated that they are movin' it to the East Bay.

I have the same questions you have, how can it fit? In protecing KFRC-FM they may not have to protect their contour and instead protect them based upon mileage as a Class B and that would give them more room.  So do they find a site around the Dublin Grade?  Or what about the  Altamont Pass? Will they go out towards Fairfield?

At this time the buyers have stopped talking.  Bossjock knows a little more.  Are you out there?

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 01:11:37 AM »

We can leave this on the San Francisco board becasue Independence Media the buyers of KSTN AM& FM have stated that they are movin' it to the East Bay.

I had information from inside KSTN headquarters back in March (see thread on the Central California board) about the move.

I wrote then:

The Larue family will retain the Ralph Avenue property and lease the towers to IndepMedia. It appears that the new owners will be cleaning house -- retaining none of the current staff (on air, admin or engineering) -- and will subsequently file to move the AM transmitter site farther east of Stockton and increase power.

The FM will be moved to the Bay Area and will change its city of license, if not to San Francisco then to some other city in the Bay Area. The transmitter will be moved to an existing site, perhaps sharing with KPFA in Berkeley or, perhaps, Sutro.

Either way, IndepMedia only expects to retain the stations for a brief time -- maybe only two years -- before they put them back on the market, probably individually rather than as a pair.


From what I understand, the details are still essentially the same today as they were in March.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 01:32:53 AM »

I think the only way they could put KSTN 107.3 in Berkeley would to down grade it to a class B1 or A ,thats to close to 106.9 and 107.7. I would go for north of Dublin.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2008, 03:50:06 AM »

kgo might go to 98.5, 92.3 or 104.9

For a potential simulcast, wouldn't KGO want a strong FM signal into San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, etc?  98.5 may be strong enough, but the other 2 are pretty weak.

When I mentioned Southbay coverage I didn't mention (or mean to suggest) SJ stations or rimshots.  There are several full service stations that cover both SF and the Southbay fairly well, as well as several owners that are not doing so well financially that would welcome an LMA right about now, if not a total buyout.

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2008, 09:21:52 AM »

When I mentioned Southbay coverage I didn't mention (or mean to suggest) SJ stations or rimshots.  There are several full service stations that cover both SF and the Southbay fairly well, as well as several owners that are not doing so well financially that would welcome an LMA right about now, if not a total buyout.

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2008, 10:27:37 AM »


Case in point.  Let's say Stockton Automall were to purchase time on Modesto's KATM, KHKK, KHOP and  KOSO.  All of these stations have significant listening in Stockton, but the BIA revenue for these stations are contributed to Modesto's totals.

In essence....Modesto stations benefit form Stockton advertisers so the Modesto market revenue rank is higher than it's Arbitron metro ranking.  Conversely, Stockton's billing ranking is way lower than it's Arbitron ranking.


The BIA revenue estimate for Stockton, which is just under $12 million, is the sum of the stations that are home to the market that have estimated revenue (KWSX, KSTN Am, KCVR, KSTN FM, KMIX, KJOY, KQOD, KMRQ and KWIN) and does not include any station home to another market, such as Modesto.

In this sense, Stockton is like a number of shado markets or even embedded markets. Just look at San Jose which is market 35 and bills 65th or Riverside, market 26 that bills 46th. Stockton just has too much service from non-home stations, with 65% of all listening going to out of market stations. In cases like this, the rates are very low and take into account the low percentage of listening to local stations, thus the low billing.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 10:38:19 AM »


When I mentioned Southbay coverage I didn't mention (or mean to suggest) SJ stations or rimshots.  There are several full service stations that cover both SF and the Southbay fairly well, as well as several owners that are not doing so well financially that would welcome an LMA right about now, if not a total buyout.


Well, that narrows it down.  San Bruno stations and 93.3

Here's the list:

KRZZ
KYLD
KBWF
KMVQ
KIOI
KBLX
KITS
KMEL
KSAN

I have no idea how each of these is doing in their target markets and/or how much they're billing.  Also, you can kind of discount KBLX, KBWF, and KSAN because of their non-grandfathered power levels.  They don't cover the South Bay very well.  I'd say 99.7, except you wouldn't think CBS would purposely create competition for their new FM news station.

(this is all just speculation anyway - tomorrow we'll probably find out that 10pm to 1 am is going to be a Rush Limbaugh repeat or something)

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