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Author Topic: Conservative vs Progressive Audiences?  (Read 2750 times)
kinetic
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« Reply #80 on: April 02, 2009, 12:27:01 AM »

MightyFrenchman writes: "Next time use an English language dictionary. You definitely got some mixed up translations for all three words."

How typical for someone to admonish others for not using a "correct" source and then not providing one to back up his ad hominem. Either that's typical of a partisan or a troll.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

And for balance...

http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal
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« Reply #81 on: April 02, 2009, 01:16:26 AM »


Hence they use the nondescript term, "progressive", which can mean anything to anybody. Personally I think conservatism is progressive because it's the best way for the nation to go. To be more specific liberal talk radio should probably call itself socialist talk radio.


Dig a little deeper into history.  Go back 100 to 120 years ago and focus on the Midwestern area anchored by Minnesota and Wisconsin.  I think you will find "progressive" anything but nondescript.  A number of things that you take for granted in your socio-political being have their roots in actions fought for by The Progressive Party people of that area.

That does not mean you will suddenly like those results thrust into your life by The Progressives, but it does mean "nondescript" probably doesn't work very well in this conversation.

Now, bringing all that back to radio:  Liberal radio, Progressive radio, whatever it should eventually be called needs to quit letting Conservative radio be of official "namer" of all the animals in creation to borrow from the Adam and Even Saga.  Conservative radio put much energy in deciding who will be called what...  and too much of the effort to be "alternative" political expression (not conservative) goes on stage and acts out the script written for them  by Conservative Radio.

It is possible that progressive/liberal radio will eventually grow up and discover it's very own persona and then our country will be blessed with authentic, self-policing and correcting, two-way conversation that has been a part of our heritage for over two centuries.

A historical post-script here:
   You'll find that religion was a critical component in a number of 19th century movements: anti-slavery, suffrage, charity, supporting the poor, pro-union, humanized treatment of the mentally ill and prisoners.  People like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B Anthony, John Brown, General William Booth (who founded the Salvation Army).  During the reconstruction era, these particular religionists came to be known as Christian Progressives.  The roots of this progressive Christianity can be traced back certainly to our American roots in France, the Enlightenment Period and the notion of individual liberty --pluribus, if you will-- but the efforts of Christian progressives along with many social progressives who fought for reforms, led to numerous social changes of which we are familiar (I presume) coupled with political realities like Interstate Commerce Act, the Sherman Antitrust Act, direct primary, secret ballot, and the initiative, referendum and recall. Teddy Roosevelt's presidency was a direct manifestation of these various dynamics.
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« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2009, 04:46:43 AM »

Many times on this board it has been stated by people far more knowledgeable than me that conservative talk shows generally pull in sizable audiences whereas progressive shows have trouble finding listeners. 

If that is true, why?


KGO has been #1 in each Arbitron book for 30 years and nearly every talkshow host is liberal.  In fact, Ronn Owens was the first host to beat Rush Limbaugh locally when programmed directly opposite him. 

So, I think it depends on the quality of the host, not their political leaning, as well as the distribution of the show.  KGO has a 50kw signal that can be heard from Canada to Mexico.  Put the same quality of hosts on a 5kw AM and you're going to have trouble getting listeners (unless it's Portland's 620, which booms into the market and is also a ratings leader). 

So, it's quality and reach.

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« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2009, 01:09:57 PM »

So, I think it depends on the quality of the host, not their political leaning....

I would think it is far easier for people to listen to someone who closely resembles their point of view than another who doesn't - even if the 'quality' of the former is better.
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« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2009, 02:22:07 PM »

Quite possibly....it could be a great host but if he/she's going to call me anj idiot for four hours chances are I'll be gone within 5 minutes.
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« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2009, 07:08:06 PM »

So, I think it depends on the quality of the host, not their political leaning....

I would think it is far easier for people to listen to someone who closely resembles their point of view than another who doesn't - even if the 'quality' of the former is better.

This board would seem to indicate that it depends ENTIRELY on whether the listener agrees with the host. Look at the most liberal-leaning posters on this board.... to them, all conservative hosts are horrible people with terrible shows that just benefit from being propped up by their syndicators...while "progressive" hosts are just this side of sainthood, brilliant and talented, and fail to prosper for reasons that defy all logic.
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« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2009, 07:22:31 PM »


This board would seem to indicate that it depends ENTIRELY on whether the listener agrees with the host. Look at the most liberal-leaning posters on this board.... to them, all conservative hosts are horrible people with terrible shows that just benefit from being propped up by their syndicators...while "progressive" hosts are just this side of sainthood, brilliant and talented, and fail to prosper for reasons that defy all logic.


You are right on target, but you stopped before you finished.  You should have added:

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Look at the most conservtive-leaning posters on this board... to them, all liberal hosts are horrible people with terrible shows that only fail because their dogma is wrong... while "conservative" hosts are members of the sainthood, brilliant and talented, and succeed because they know all logic."

We have a tough time discussing aspects of Talk-Radio because most of us cannont separate the craft of Talk Radio from our own personal biases in the socio-political world.

Of course,  neither you or I EVER let out personal views affect the very logical things we write.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2009, 08:21:16 PM »

One of the worst aspects of the polarization of talk radio over the past 15 years is that it has denigrated the craft of talk radio. It's all about ideology. I think there are great talk hosts with whom I disagree. But my greatest resentment is not that there are so many conservative talk hosts on the radio -- it is that there are so many bad ones. Ditto those on the left who don't get this medium.

Over on NewsBusters, which tries to be the conservative version of Media Matters, there's a thread attacking Stephanie Miller for pointing out her head-to-head ratings wins against conservative shows. One poster responded to another praising Lionel's hosting skills by making reference to Jean Shepherd's abilities to "tell a story" and "paint a picture". A reply claimed that only "infants" needed "stories, painted pictures (and) visual images." So talent means nothing, and we are not allowed to have any entertainment value in talk radio? No skill? Is all talk radio doomed to become the modern version of 1970's Radio Tirana, just shrill and stilted screeds all day long?
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« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2009, 04:29:06 AM »


A reply claimed that only "infants" needed "stories, painted pictures (and) visual images." So talent means nothing, and we are not allowed to have any entertainment value in talk radio? No skill? Is all talk radio doomed to become the modern version of 1970's Radio Tirana, just shrill and stilted screeds all day long?

I think it's the nature of the Internet.  People now feel qualified to give instant opinions, especially if they're combative.  If you think the comments on radio blogs are bad, have you ever looked YouTube comments?  Even the nicest, most innocent videos are torn down by vicious comments often containing obscenity and profanity. 

This is why I hate blogs, by the way.  People with no background and no experience feel qualified to comment on everything around them, no matter how wrong-headed or hurtful those comments are.

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« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2009, 08:40:48 AM »


I think it's the nature of the Internet.  People now feel qualified to give instant opinions, especially if they're combative. 


Great observation!  Our heritage is a world where Free Speech has been tempered by the limits of the system of Capitalism.  To own and operate a newspaper, a radio station, a TV channel or a magazine required that a person be civilized and disciplined enough to accumulate some capital to get it going.  (We have always had a few heirs around that got to mouth-off whether they had the brains to make it worthwhile or not.)

With the coming of the Internet,  even the mentally incapacitated, the socially mal-adjusted can have a place at the table.

That ain't all bad.  That ain't all good.

It certainly makes our world a bit different!
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