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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 01:44:33 PM »

We already have plenty of "dissenting opinions" on other networks. This is about talent (and the lack thereof at MSNBC).

Talent?  Your post is the first time the word "talent" was used in this thread.   So tell us, why do you believe there is a lack of talent at MSNBC, how about some examples.  And please talk about talent, not about opinions you disagree with.



That was the first time any adjective was used for describing MSNBC in this thread. And no, sir, I don't have to provide examples to you. If you put Olbermann, Maddow, and the string of young'un anchors during the daytime in the same realm as a talented news & editorial team, so be it. Whether you find yourself alone in that group is obviously up to others to decide. I, for one, won't subscribe to the notion that I'm getting news from a talented group of people when I'm watching MSNBC. No political bias there at all; I believe the same thing about Fox News, CNN, and Headline News. MSNBC is in it for the entertainment value; talent with regard to news reporting matters not to them.

If you're looking for a political soapbox, "sack", go somewhere else.

So, are you saying no one on any cable news channel has any talent?
The thread started about MSNBC, now you have grouped all cable news into the no talent bin.  You refuse to provide examples to back up your claim (and ratings and talent have very little to do with one another), so maybe you can enlighten me as to where I can see and hear talent.

So, you do think that they're talented? How so? Compare to Cronkite, Brinkley, Brokaw, Jennings, et al.
24-hour news hole = fill it with sexy people who can read off of a teleprompter.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 04:49:52 PM »

I would suggest a site such as the Inside Cable News blog for some unbiased perspective on the cable news field and its pros & cons. AND SOME EXAMPLES OF LACK OF TALENT for those who'd rather pick a fight.

http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 11:57:02 PM »

I"m sure you would love MSNBC to go dark.  Put a whole lot of people out of work because you disagree with their program hosts, now thats a real open minded American.
I would not be affected, one way or another, if the voice of the Democrat party (MSDNC) should go dark.  I would smile a little while reading about the demise of the party voice, but it’s not something I would lose any sleep over.  I sincerely doubt that many people would be out of work, compared with the number of lost jobs since the inauguration of the current administration.  The U.S. economy lost 467,000 jobs in June 2009, with job losses of about 6.5 million since the recession began in December 2007.

But not to worry, our current president has promised to create or “save” something like 2.5 million jobs with his stimulus.  Surely his compassion will place the status of his party voice (MSDNC) at the top of his priorities, and all the MSDNC production personnel, from the talking faces down to the lowly behind-the-camera technicians will be well taken care of - our current administration has increased unemployment compensation, don’t you know?  Bankers, auto dealers and manufacturing plants, and multiple numbers of additional trades and blue collar employees have lost thousands of jobs under the “change” brought about by this administration, why should the last place TV medium suffer anything less?   

Why are you so afraid of an opinion different than your own? I personally like Fox Noise, it gives me an insight into the minds of the people that have different opinions than myself.  I believe Bill O'Rielly to be part of the republican propaganda machine,, Just like you believe Olberman to be part of the democratic propaganda machine (MSDNC),
Afraid?  Give me some credit – I welcome dissenting opinions which differ in substance from mine, but only when based upon facts which are open to argument and debate.


but I wouldn't wish for a channel to go dark because I disagree with their politics, thats just plain cold and pretty small minded.  Thats the attitude of a dictatorship, quash all disenting opinions.  Is that what you are suggesting?  (we did come close during the last administration)
Dictatorship, you say?  Indeed, are you not making reference to the FDR administration, when Roosevelt, in a bold and miscalculated decision (1936) to direct an internal shift in the power of the judicial branch announced a plan to introduce legislation that would reform the federal judiciary.  Under the guise of easing the backlog of cases that faced the "aged, overworked justices," Roosevelt intended to ask Congress for the power to appoint one additional judge to the federal judiciary (including the Supreme Court) for every justice who had reached the age of seventy but declined to retire.  While his ostensible purpose was to increase the efficiency of the judiciary, it was clear that Roosevelt was targeting six of the nine Supreme Court justices who had challenged his domestic programs.
 
Justice Louis Brandeis spoke eloquently of this presidential attempt at heracy when he stated:  “This is the end of this business centralization, and I want you to go back and tell the president that we’re not going to let this president centralize everything.  It’s come to an end."

Is this what we can look forward to under the current administration?  Has history come full circle? 

Our founding fathers had something in mind when they signed the Articles of the Confederation on that fateful day in Philadelphia way back in 1787.  Three branches of government, separation of powers, etc. etc.

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2009, 07:16:35 AM »

OK you guys win
No one on cable tv has any talent.
Obama is ruining the nation.

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2009, 08:22:37 PM »

OK you guys win
It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you lay the blame.  ~Nikki Nelson (of Highway 101)


No one on cable tv has any talent.
There are many talented individuals on cable TV.  Talent is wasted when a supposed neutral reporter of news and facts becomes a shill for a certain political party, whether it be on the left or right.


Obama is ruining the nation.
Too early to tell - the same has been said of past presidents, but all indications [since inauguration day] point towards a radical leftward lean in presidential politics, and this is worrisome to many, myself included.

"On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does."   ~Will Rogers
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2009, 06:33:30 AM »



Obama is ruining the nation.
Too early to tell - the same has been said of past presidents, but all indications [since inauguration day] point towards a radical leftward lean in presidential politics, and this is worrisome to many, myself included.

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I guess thats only fair, since many, including myself were appalled at the radical right track the nation took over the past 8 years.  To you it might look like a swing to the left, to me, it looks like a swing back to the center.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2009, 06:49:49 AM »

Curiously many on the right feel Bush was not conservative enough and many could not bring themselves to vote for the "RINO" McCain (you know, the same guy that many libs painted as being a far right wacko).
Again it all depends on where one stands.
As for the President, a) where was the "slobbering love affair"* for GW Bush--other than conservative talk
radio and maybe part of Fox News? Maybe there was some bias but the level of smooching the mainstream
media has had for Obama is really much more (though maybe that will be curbed a little now). Even conservative talk radio took Bush to task over things like immigration, Dubai ports, etc. and b) hey, I'd like to regard Obama
with the same reverence, respect, and admiration that most people especially on the left had for the previous POTUS Smiley

*--or did I miss the TV specials on certain issues where the TV networks pushed for Bush's agenda
avidly...the many magazine covers and newspaper articles fawning over W and his family...the rock-star
attention the GOP president got...and so on. Maybe the media is getting a bit tougher on BHO now which
is fine, as attention on policies and issues is always an important part of the media as watchdog. Hopefully.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 08:02:07 AM »

If MSNBC is fawning all over Michael Jackson the way so many other news outlets have, then I would hope that they WOULD go off the air!  (But I wouldn't know because I don't have cable.)
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