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Author Topic: LET'S DEBUNK THE LATEST HD TALKING POINT  (Read 393 times)
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« on: July 23, 2009, 08:13:17 AM »

In a typically rambling and incoherent editorial on the iBiquity site, tirelessly and tiresomely myopic Bob Struble trots out the latest excuse for why HD Radio has essentially stalled in the marketplace, comparing the hybrid-digital rollout's lengthening time line to the long implementation period for Color TV and FM.

Consider it your regular HD hogwash delivery - kind of like how you once got regular unsolicited visits from insurance or Fuller Brush salesmen.

Of course, to anyone who has observed HD Radio for more than five minutes, the tortured logic and implausible-to-impossible arguments resound as "typical for HD."

I was there at Color TV's debut, admittedly as a young child, but my memories can be substantiated by those who were then adults.  When Color TV arrived in 1954-55 most families were still watching their first TV - typically a mahogany small-screen box dating to the Korean War or earlier, with insensate front ends and sync circuits with all the stability of Jeanene Garofalo.  (A neighbor actually had a TV old enough to have a "Channel 1" position on its tuner.)  TV was the electronic state-of-the-art for home entertainment in the mid 1950s, yet we were all accustomed to flipping and rolling images on tiny, dim screens. 

So when a single Westinghouse color set arrived at the local radio-TV store in my small Western New York town some time in early 1955 it was an event.  There must have been 25 to 30 people crowded around this 15" set when it was powered up for some NBC special on a Friday night (the store stayed open late for the demonstration.)  When the shop owner got the program tuned in, there was an audible gasp from the spectators.  Given what we were used to watching on TV, the small yet vivid pictures were nothing short of a miracle.

Of course in this era when most household incomes were in the range of $3500 to $5000, the $1200 Westinghouse color set's price failed to motivate any purchaser.  The TV remained to display color reception to dwindling crowds for about a month until the distributor came and hauled it off to be presented to presumably more affluent sales prospects.  I didn't see an actual Color TV in somebody's home until the early 1960s.

As far as FM and FM stereo go - these innovations arrived on the scene when American consumers were being bombarded with other electronic entertainment devices they found more compelling.  When modern-band FM was making its debut it had to compete with longplaying and 45rpm records (first mono, then stereo), stereo tape recording, miniature portable radios and TV (first monochrome and then color.)  On the broadcasting side, most station operators were enjoying big profits from their AM facilities despite the demise of radio network programming.  Rock n' roll was king, and everybody had one of those little transistor radios to listen to charismatic DJs spin the latest hits.  There was little incentive to develop the FM side until the simulcast restrictions of 1966.  That forced compelling programming onto FM, and at that point the FM band's march was on.

So: let's revisit iBiquity and other HD proponents' new talking point, which is to compare HD's current marketplace woes with the rollouts of Color and FM over 50 years ago.  There is no valid comparison.  The delays in acceptance of these products had nothing to do with their merits.  Anyone not an idiot immediately appreciated the vast improvements Color afforded over B&W or FM sound's advance over AM, even on superior AM radios of the day.  The reasons for the slow rollout were varied and generally economic and pragmatic in nature.

In short - Color TV and FM were NOT slow to be accepted because they caused unacceptable problems for existing services (that would be "interference") or incremental-at-best improvements over the status quo.  These were desirable and desired innovations which came into their own without brute-force promotion or technical deck-stacking to achieve regulatory approval, and their acceptance was a natural progression in the order of proven innovation.  You know: like HD Radio isn't.

Let's review.....once again, HOW can we tell iBiquity's lying??   Wink   Bear this in mind every time they try their latest ploy to get you to ignore common sense, integrity and professional instinct.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2009, 01:52:25 PM »

Their lips are moving an awful lot lately too. Grin
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 02:07:17 PM »

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Consider it your regular HD hogwash delivery - kind of like how you once got regular unsolicited visits from insurance or Fuller Brush salesmen.

That's an unkind cut at Fuller Brush, don't you think?  One of the biggest 'adventures' I can remember as a very small child was the annual visit of the Fuller Brush guy (and no, it wasn't Red Skelton).   Grin
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 07:48:12 PM »

Black & white to color TV was a big deal, COLOR man, it's like discovering water for the first time!
Rock N Roll music on AM mono radio, then FM radio, with a big improved sound, stereo and more music..
Dude, it doesn't get any better!

HD radio, well the sound isn't much better than FM. A little maybe. And pretty much the same formats found on HD are also playing on FM.

Where's the beef?

 

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 06:29:25 AM »

The Luddites talking points are once again laughable.

Regular Color TV broadcast didn't star until the late 1968 1969. Stereo TV audio broadcasting didn't regularly started until 1984. Microsoft supports HD radio. I spend about $99.95 for the HD 100. Of all the non HD radios I own with the exception of the Eton 500 and the FM turner chip of my Nokia 5310, I can't pick up WCRS LPFM. With or without the PLL tuner(s).  The HD 100 I can received WCRS LPFM, and WINS LPFM.

I do support manditory Hybrid Digital FM broadcast for the full power stations with the protection of LPFM's. AM will still be optional.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 06:59:13 AM »

"Luddites" again?  will, go buy yourself a Thesaurus.  (That's NOT a variety of extinct critter either.)

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post it....like your comment about how "regular color TV broadcast(s) didn't star(t) until late 1968 (or) 1969."  NBC had a regular color schedule in the late 1950s.  CBS followed suit in the mid 1960s, with ABC bringing up the rear in the mid to late 1960s.  Google it.

Stereo TV audio hasn't been a subject under discussion here because its implementation was fairly rapid.  Since TV audio is FM anyway addition of stereo was not much of an innovation.  It just required a minor addition to TV tuners, an additional audio chip and speaker for the second channel - a technical no-brainer.
And the additional cost was incremental at a time when TV receivers were being vastly simplified and prices were dropping like crazy.

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 07:52:43 AM »

Regular Color TV broadcast didn't star until the late 1968 1969.

Yeah, that probably explains the color TV set in our living room in 1962, and why we were already watching most prime-time programming in color back then.

Microsoft supports HD radio.

The company that still can't get Windows right, no matter how hard they try.  What a stellar recommendation.

Of all the non HD radios I own with the exception of the Eton 500 and the FM turner chip of my Nokia 5310, I can't pick up WCRS LPFM. With or without the PLL tuner(s).  The HD 100 I can received WCRS LPFM, and WINS LPFM.

WCRS is the call sign of an AM station in Greenwood, South Carolina, not an LPFM.  WINS is the call sign of an AM station in New York, New York, not an LPFM.

Before you pose as some sort of expert, get your facts straight.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 08:00:12 AM »


Before you pose as some sort of expert, get your facts straight.


That's why I think "willcail" would be a great promotional manager for HD Radio.  He/she fits the mold perfectly!



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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 12:05:18 PM »

He's probably just some kid radio-wannabe.  The mangled grammar and syntax, conflicts in tense and number, strongly suggest very hurried posts - you know, of the "gotta hurry and hit SEND.  I think I hear mom coming, and she told me to get off the Internet an hour ago."

Plus no adult just makes stuff up and posts it.  Unless, of course, they work for iBiquity....  Cheesy
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