96.3 new mess! where's el pacha,coco cabrera? they went to hell?

[neo11]

Soooooooo....it's ok for 105.9 to have crappy ratings and for 105.9 to have a bad signal, but it's a disaster for Pulse 87 to have low ratings and not say it's the signal or even the dial position.  You know, 105.9's signal covers twice as much the area compared to Pulse and it's ok to say that La Kalle had a bad signal therefore caused their ratings to slide, but Pulse 87 is a disaster,

Pulse is a general market station, while WCAA was a Spanish language station, limited to those people in the signal area who are Spanish dominant. that's enough differences to call the "apples and oranges" card and say that this is an irrelevant comparison.

and they are doing bad, but when we say they have a limited signal, their position on the dial is at the bottom, and the station was "word of mouth", oh no, thats not why Pulse is doing bad. 

Pulse did badly like every other dance station in the US. A period, generally less than a year, of interesting performance, and then a decline that terminates in extinction. The fact that a good signal, like Party in Miami, exhibited this pattern should show that signal is irrelevant... the format is the issue.

So you expect me to believe that La Kalle was suffering when they had a better coverage area than Pulse?

The Kalle 64 dbu had far fewer Spanish dominant Hispanics in it than the 64 dbu of Pulse has English speakers or bilinguals... yet Kalle beat Pulse consistently.

  I think what made La Kalle better was to keep it 100% Raggaeton and/or if you wanted Luis Jiminez, at least try to have El Vacilon on La Kalle.

Huh? Reggaetón moved on, and is no longer a format anywhere on the US mainland... and "Vacilón" is a trademark of WSKQ, even though Luis brought the name... the show is Luis, not the name of the show. Luis is on X 96.3.

The haterade must be tasting real good today.  Explain to me how a station that is on a frequency which many radios cannot tune to and which is off-center (87.76) to boot, on a peashooter frequency which does not cover nearly the entire market, with a dial location below the non-commercial band which listeners are not used to looking for, and with zero promotion or advertising, "did badly" with a 1.0 share and a cume of almost 1,000,000.  Do you think any format would have realistically done better on that signal?

[d21ofnj]

Pulse is a general market station, while WCAA was a Spanish language station, limited to those people in the signal area who are Spanish dominant. that's enough differences to call the "apples and oranges" card and say that this is an irrelevant comparison.

Since when did 87.7 in general become a "general market" station when it's technically a TV station?  If anything, WCAA is on a general market frequency while 87.7 is limited.  

Pulse did badly like every other dance station in the US. A period, generally less than a year, of interesting performance, and then a decline that terminates in extinction. The fact that a good signal, like Party in Miami, exhibited this pattern should show that signal is irrelevant... the format is the issue.

The reason Party flipped was because there was no other rock outlet in the area and Cox wanted to jump in that format.  If Party was suffering so bad, why did it last over 4 years?
Energy 92.7 & 5 made more money than "Onda 92" and Energy lasted twice as long than "Onda 92" did in Chicago.  WZBZ (99.3 The Buzz) as a DANCE STATION flipped because the PD resigned and handed the job to someone else who wanted to do a hip-hop format.  I can bet you if that PD would still be on WZBZ, The Buzz would've still been a dance station until the owners pulled the plug and renamed it Kiss-FM.  Energy 92.7 Arizona lasted more than 6 years but their stick was in the middle of nowhere, and they didn't have the 99.3 trasmitter like what "The Beat AZ" has now.  Energy 92.7 SF was flipped because of the new owner who took over.  TRUE FACTS, PAL.  IF DANCE AS A FORMAT IS TO BLAME, WHY IS KNHC, WDRE, AND KVBE STILL DOING A DANCE FORMAT?  NOT TO MENTION, KNHC AND WDRE HAVE BEEN ON FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS!

The Kalle 64 dbu had far fewer Spanish dominant Hispanics in it than the 64 dbu of Pulse has English speakers or bilinguals... yet Kalle beat Pulse consistently.

FACT:  SOME radios don't go past 87.9.   FACT:  All radios can tune in to 105.9.  I'm sure if Pulse was on 87.9 or above 92, Pulse would sweep the floors all over La Kalle.

Huh? Reggaetón moved on, and is no longer a format anywhere on the US mainland... and "Vacilón" is a trademark of WSKQ, even though Luis brought the name... the show is Luis, not the name of the show. Luis is on X 96.3.

But I thought that "reggaetón is a viable ingredient in 25-44 year old (or the broader 18-49) Spanish contemporary format."  So you admit that Raggaeton is what drove the ratings to tumble.  

What did you think I meant to have "El Vacilon"  If Luis owns the name, there shouldn't be a problem, I'm sure there's a way to fight that trademark.  

[DavidEduardo]

The haterade must be tasting real good today.  Explain to me how a station that is on a frequency which many radios cannot tune to and which is off-center (87.76) to boot, on a peashooter frequency which does not cover nearly the entire market, with a dial location below the non-commercial band which listeners are not used to looking for, and with zero promotion or advertising, "did badly" with a 1.0 share and a cume of almost 1,000,000.  Do you think any format would have realistically done better on that signal?

I don't hate dance... I programmed it long ago and had consulting done by Joel Salkowitz... WDOY, Y-96, San Juan. But I did not program the station for me, nor do I like or dislike formats based on my taste... it's about what listeners want.

But the format is simply not a viable business proposition today. It hasn't worked anywhere in the US in more than a decade.

And, finally, the share is... I'm told... down to just over a half of that 1.0 and the cume is off by about a third. This is just what happened in other markets... the TSL erodes, the cume goes down.

[d21ofnj]

The haterade must be tasting real good today.  Explain to me how a station that is on a frequency which many radios cannot tune to and which is off-center (87.76) to boot, on a peashooter frequency which does not cover nearly the entire market, with a dial location below the non-commercial band which listeners are not used to looking for, and with zero promotion or advertising, "did badly" with a 1.0 share and a cume of almost 1,000,000.  Do you think any format would have realistically done better on that signal?

I don't hate dance... I programmed it long ago and had consulting done by Joel Salkowitz... WDOY, Y-96, San Juan. But I did not program the station for me, nor do I like or dislike formats based on my taste... it's about what listeners want.

But the format is simply not a viable business proposition today. It hasn't worked anywhere in the US in more than a decade.

And, finally, the share is... I'm told... down to just over a half of that 1.0 and the cume is off by about a third. This is just what happened in other markets... the TSL erodes, the cume goes down.

Told by who?  How would you or they know when the books didn't even come out yet for October.

[DavidEduardo]

Since when did 87.7 in general become a "general market" station when it's technically a TV station?  If anything, WCAA is on a general market frequency while 87.7 is limited.  

Frequencies are not "general market." Formats are. The dance format is a general market format. Spanish rhythmic is not.

The reasom Party flipped was because there was no other rock outlet in the area and Cox wanted to jump in that format.  If Party was suffering so bad, why did it last over 4 years?

Party peaked in its first year, then dropped and dropped. The change at another station made rock a viable out, since dance was bombing... and despite a lot of effort by the Cox folks, they could not make it work.

Energy 92.7 & 5 made more money than "Onda 92" and Energy lasted twice as long than "Onda 92" did in Chicago.

Neither made any money. I did due diligence on the staitons, and saw the financials.

 WZBZ (99.3 The Buzz) as a DANCE STATION flipped because the PD resigned and handed the job to someone else who wanted to do a hip-hop format.  I can bet you if that PD would still be on WZBZ, The Buzz would've still been a dance station until the owners pulled the plug and renamed it Kiss-FM.

You have that backwards. PDs don't get to pick the format. Higher management does. Then, if they are decided on a change, they whack the PD and pring in one who can do the new format.

 IF DANCE AS A FORMAT IS TO BLAME, WHY IS KNHC, WDRE, AND KVBE STILL DOING A DANCE FORMAT?  NOT TO MENTION, KNHC AND WDRE HAVE BEEN ON FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS!

KVBE has zero ("no show") ratings. KNHC is a school-run station, non-commercial, and has no ratings. In any case, I am saying that dance is not a viable format... that means it can't make money... a non-com is not out to do that, so they can do whatever they want.  WDRE, listed as home to te Hamptons market, has just over a 1 share and bills less than 100 k a month... hardly big-time. Obviously, they survive but just barely.

But I thought that "reggaetón is a viable ingredient in 25-44 year old (or the broader 18-49) Spanish contemporary format."  So you admit that Raggaeton is what drove the ratings to tumble.  

Yes, it is an ingredient, not a format.

When the station was all reggaeton, audience was measured by the diary method. You can't compare it with the PPM numbers... in fact, Arbitron prohibits subscribers from doing so... because the methodology, PUR, etc., etc., are vastly different.

What did you think I meant to have "El Vacilon"  If Luis owns the name, there shouldn't be a problem, I'm sure there's a way to fight that trademark.  

Luis named the show, but SBS registered the service mark. No contest.

[DavidEduardo]

Told by who?  How would you or they know when the books didn't even come out yet for October.

Subscribing stations get weeklies. But you knew that, right? The sample is the same size, and the reliabiliity is approximately the same.

[moreno]

Soooooooo....it's ok for 105.9 to have crappy ratings and for 105.9 to have a bad signal, but it's a disaster for Pulse 87 to have low ratings and not say it's the signal or even the dial position.  You know, 105.9's signal covers twice as much the area compared to Pulse and it's ok to say that La Kalle had a bad signal therefore caused their ratings to slide, but Pulse 87 is a disaster,

Pulse is a general market station, while WCAA was a Spanish language station, limited to those people in the signal area who are Spanish dominant. that's enough differences to call the "apples and oranges" card and say that this is an irrelevant comparison.

and they are doing bad, but when we say they have a limited signal, their position on the dial is at the bottom, and the station was "word of mouth", oh no, thats not why Pulse is doing bad. 

Pulse did badly like every other dance station in the US. A period, generally less than a year, of interesting performance, and then a decline that terminates in extinction. The fact that a good signal, like Party in Miami, exhibited this pattern should show that signal is irrelevant... the format is the issue.

So you expect me to believe that La Kalle was suffering when they had a better coverage area than Pulse?

The Kalle 64 dbu had far fewer Spanish dominant Hispanics in it than the 64 dbu of Pulse has English speakers or bilinguals... yet Kalle beat Pulse consistently.

  I think what made La Kalle better was to keep it 100% Raggaeton and/or if you wanted Luis Jiminez, at least try to have El Vacilon on La Kalle.

Huh? Reggaetón moved on, and is no longer a format anywhere on the US mainland... and "Vacilón" is a trademark of WSKQ, even though Luis brought the name... the show is Luis, not the name of the show. Luis is on X 96.3.

what?? luis did not brought no name! the name belonds to la mega and raul alarcon was the man who made that up! who are you trying to fool? not me! that name " el vacilon de la manana 97.9"is still use in miami by wskq also blah blah blah... a least el pacha has his own name! you cant take that away david!

[DanceDiva3]

Some of you spanish old school p.d's are ignorant.  You think all the same stuff works from long ago and a station in Puerto Rico can mirror the US and the listeners. You have no clue. Pacha is a name of a club, Let's keep it that way !!!! 

Dance music shall and will live on !!!!!!

[DavidEduardo]

what?? luis did not brought no name! the name belonds to la mega and raul alarcon was the man who made that up! who are you trying to fool? not me! that name " el vacilon de la manana 97.9"is still use in miami by wskq also blah blah blah... a least el pacha has his own name! you cant take that away david!

The name "El Vacilón" was used in Puerto Rico and at one of Enrique Cusco's (Enrique senior, the former GM of Venevision and other Cisneros ventures, not his son) stations in Venezuela (which was the original Mega in the entire Hemisphere) long before it went to WSKQ in New York; however, Luis was the one who took the name to NY, and it was his idea to use it for his show.

The Miami station, which is WXDJ and not WSKQ, copied the NY station to prevent anyone else from using the name there.

"El Pachá" is a person's nickname, not a show name...

[sancocho]

Imperio (or "moreno" whatever your name is) deja de estar hablando babosadas ya please! El Pacha is gone FINALLY even if it is a temporary thing, but it's a vacation we are all enjoying. As mentioned before, stations take their time re-establishing their format. Slowly but surely, you'll see DJs come in one at a time, and unfortunately, I think your beloved Pacha will be back. Give it time!