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Author Topic: GLENN BECK doesn't seem to be scoffing!  (Read 1603 times)
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 05:26:28 PM »

   I can see this thread getting close to being sent to the Radio-Info dung heap known as Take It Outside. I would request the Mods hold off on the urge to do so because we are exploring territory here that, as political as it may lean, explores the undercurrents of talk radio.

   Personally, I've long felt that politics, despite my fervant interest, is boring to most listeners; but when the country is debating health care, two wars, a crushing economy and unemployment flirting with the 10 per cent mark, all national politics becomes local. So talk radio gets noticed. Being somewhat skeptical, I'd say Beck is taking advantage of the envirnoment and shrewdly bought himself some two day running pub by hiring a bodyguard. Randi Rhodes should have hired one too. Missed opportunity, Ms. Rhodes. Maybe Beck thinks he needs a bodyguard to protect him from the loons on the right if and when he strays off point and wanders into moderate territory.

   I'd like to think most sane adults and listeners can leave the polarization at the door. But years ago, the assassination of  Denver talk show host Alan Berg proved there's a lunatic fringe that can't leave it at the door.

   What's clear about the current flavor of talk radio is that it's polarizing and paralyzing to the 40% of Americans who actually pay any attention to it . "Yes I did... No you di-int..." It sounds like dogs barking at each other across backyard fences.

   Political polsters would label me a fiscal conservative and social moderate; I'd say I'm an Independent by registration, an ex-radio guy who's been working in another field for a while, but still trolls these boards to stay connected.

   From what I've observed in the little un-scientific (but probably as reality-based as any other) focus group called kids, nephews and neices who are in the demo, none of this Rush-Beck-Fox vs MSNBC-bruhaha has brought 18-34's (back) to talk radio. People in that demo think the artform is bullsh*t. They laugh at Rush. He's old and nuts. A nephew who did a tour of Iraq once commented, "that guy would sh*t himself about two minutes out on patrol, but he can talk tough." There's no "next generation" of Rush fans on the horizon as far as I can see. Since Rush is the #1 brand in (conservative) talk radio, what does this portend for guys like Beck, Savage and others?

   The 18-34's that I've observed think Keith Olbermann is a sports geek who does politics "kinda, sorta" in the Jon Stewart mold, but Stewart is the gold standard of news-talk-opinion in their eyes and they watch him not on TV but their computers, phones and pods. 

   In each case, the appeal of the right wing-left wing talkers is to the 30% at opposite ends of the spectrum. The 40% in the middle are trying to figure it all out and survive best they can. They don't carry guns to rallies, they don't buy into tea parties. They read more than they react and they have a shrewd sense of buyer beware about the talking heads on either end of the political spectrum.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 06:08:57 PM »

Thoughtful, keen take.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 08:29:56 PM »

   
   From what I've observed in the little un-scientific (but probably as reality-based as any other) focus group called kids, nephews and neices who are in the demo, none of this Rush-Beck-Fox vs MSNBC-bruhaha has brought 18-34's (back) to talk radio. People in that demo think the artform is bullsh*t. They laugh at Rush. He's old and nuts. A nephew who did a tour of Iraq once commented, "that guy would sh*t himself about two minutes out on patrol, but he can talk tough." There's no "next generation" of Rush fans on the horizon as far as I can see. Since Rush is the #1 brand in (conservative) talk radio, what does this portend for guys like Beck, Savage and others?

   The 18-34's that I've observed think Keith Olbermann is a sports geek who does politics "kinda, sorta" in the Jon Stewart mold, but Stewart is the gold standard of news-talk-opinion in their eyes and they watch him not on TV but their computers, phones and pods. 


Like you, I'm an ex-radio guy who (mostly) lurks here to soak up a little radio talk from time to time.

As far as Rush and 18-34's, I don't think he cares.  His audience is boomers, much as Jon Stewart's is Gen X.  The "Young Republicans" of the Reagan era are middle-aged now.  Rush has his audience and he plays to it.  You've gotta admit that a left-leaning president and Congress gives conservative talk radio plenty of fodder, much as George Bush did with Stewart and others of his ilk.

As you said, politics is boring to most people...all you're doing is preaching to the choir, whether it be the left or the right.  I don't know of anyone who was ever "converted" who didn't go on their own.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 11:27:59 PM »

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As far as Rush and 18-34's, I don't think he cares.  His audience is boomers, much as Jon Stewart's is Gen X.

Which will eventually cause talk radio to implode because its demos are too old, just as the nostalgia format came and went. That almost happened to talk radio in the 80's but it reinvented itself with dozens of hot talk hosts around the country, with different ideological points of view or in some cases no ideology (David Paul in Atlanta was a good example of the latter). But that was the Alex P. Keaton generation. There are few "Rush babies", despite his insistence to the contrary, so when does this demographic crisis hit talk radio full force? Hint: FM will only delay the problem.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 05:11:11 AM »

Group hug!!!

Holland was pushing talk radio will lead to violence and now he is saying Glenn Beck has a guard is proof of that.

Scroll-up and show me where I said THAT?

Ummm ok...

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All the other Rush Limbaugh wanna-be's sure were, when I recently warned against Talk Radio's too-typical overstatement: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/17/783621/-Will-Talk-Radios-Dog-Whistle-Spark-New-Violence

GLENN BECK seems to be cautious enough alrighty: http://www.nypost.com/f/print/pagesix/glenn_beck_not_taking_any_chances_96rFtsJWin7qp47R1mNVgM

You are saying you warned of the violence and Glenn Beck is not scoffing (blowing you off) because he has a guard.

If you aren't saying that is proof you were right, which you do by linking your earlier column, then what are you saying with those two links?

Why is everyone so damn vague.

Say what you mean, mean what you say.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2009, 05:15:44 AM »

   I can see this thread getting close to being sent to the Radio-Info dung heap known as Take It Outside. I would request the Mods hold off on the urge to do so because we are exploring territory here that, as political as it may lean, explores the undercurrents of talk radio.

   Personally, I've long felt that politics, despite my fervant interest, is boring to most listeners; but when the country is debating health care, two wars, a crushing economy and unemployment flirting with the 10 per cent mark, all national politics becomes local. So talk radio gets noticed. Being somewhat skeptical, I'd say Beck is taking advantage of the envirnoment and shrewdly bought himself some two day running pub by hiring a bodyguard. Randi Rhodes should have hired one too. Missed opportunity, Ms. Rhodes. Maybe Beck thinks he needs a bodyguard to protect him from the loons on the right if and when he strays off point and wanders into moderate territory.

   I'd like to think most sane adults and listeners can leave the polarization at the door. But years ago, the assassination of  Denver talk show host Alan Berg proved there's a lunatic fringe that can't leave it at the door.

   What's clear about the current flavor of talk radio is that it's polarizing and paralyzing to the 40% of Americans who actually pay any attention to it . "Yes I did... No you di-int..." It sounds like dogs barking at each other across backyard fences.

   Political polsters would label me a fiscal conservative and social moderate; I'd say I'm an Independent by registration, an ex-radio guy who's been working in another field for a while, but still trolls these boards to stay connected.

   From what I've observed in the little un-scientific (but probably as reality-based as any other) focus group called kids, nephews and neices who are in the demo, none of this Rush-Beck-Fox vs MSNBC-bruhaha has brought 18-34's (back) to talk radio. People in that demo think the artform is bullsh*t. They laugh at Rush. He's old and nuts. A nephew who did a tour of Iraq once commented, "that guy would sh*t himself about two minutes out on patrol, but he can talk tough." There's no "next generation" of Rush fans on the horizon as far as I can see. Since Rush is the #1 brand in (conservative) talk radio, what does this portend for guys like Beck, Savage and others?

   The 18-34's that I've observed think Keith Olbermann is a sports geek who does politics "kinda, sorta" in the Jon Stewart mold, but Stewart is the gold standard of news-talk-opinion in their eyes and they watch him not on TV but their computers, phones and pods. 

   In each case, the appeal of the right wing-left wing talkers is to the 30% at opposite ends of the spectrum. The 40% in the middle are trying to figure it all out and survive best they can. They don't carry guns to rallies, they don't buy into tea parties. They read more than they react and they have a shrewd sense of buyer beware about the talking heads on either end of the political spectrum.
This argument is silly, Cooke thinks it is thoughtful because you agree with him.

40%, 30%, etc don't matter.

The audience size you are looking for is 10% of Men 25-54.

You get that you are good to go.

Holland you work in the N/T field you know with 10% M 25-54 you will own your market's advertising.

When you pull a 10 share you are awesome and you get more consulting gigs. Correct?

40%, 30%, Red States, Blue States, the fringes, etc. do not matter. Get your piece of the pie and make money.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2009, 11:23:13 AM »

Holland you work in the N/T field...

http://getonthenet.com/radio-info.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2009, 03:11:04 PM »

Beautifully done E-9. 

The under belly of the right and the left are equally as ugly.  I think there is a big difference in Rush and Beck.  Rush is in it for the money and was probably more happy than anyone when Obama was awarded the Nobel that Friday morning.  Beck though, I think he is really beginning to believe his own spin and that worries me about Beck's listeners.  If Beck wants to jump off the cliff (I mean that literally) that's totally up to him but if he does I fear some of his lemmings will follow.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2009, 04:18:13 PM »

He's showing clips from "The Untouchables" -- including the grisly baseball-bat-at-dinner whacking scene -- WHILE WAVING A BASEBALL BAT AT THE CAMERA -- and talking about "knives and guns."
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2009, 06:53:08 PM »

Beautifully done E-9.

Hell, you could feel the ground starting to move. It wasn't a tough call.
 

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