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Author Topic: WBT's AM NIGHTTIME SIGNAL  (Read 1014 times)
JR1967
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« on: November 09, 2009, 02:45:11 PM »

I was doing some Google Searches on WBT's AM signal at night and its NE-SW directional pattern to protect KFAB in Omaha, NE.  I realize that they have the 99.3 FM signal to cover the null areas west of Charlotte (ie. Gastonia), but just wondering has there ever been an attempt to relocate their transmitters further west
of the city to cover the entire area with their AM signal, or are there issues in that area due to either ground conductivity or the growth of the Metropolitian area? 
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 03:34:24 PM »

I was doing some Google Searches on WBT's AM signal at night and its NE-SW directional pattern to protect KFAB in Omaha, NE.  I realize that they have the 99.3 FM signal to cover the null areas west of Charlotte (ie. Gastonia), but just wondering has there ever been an attempt to relocate their transmitters further west
of the city to cover the entire area with their AM signal, or are there issues in that area due to either ground conductivity or the growth of the Metropolitian area? 

You might want to check out www.fybush.com and read his tower site visits to WBT. I believe that he explains the situation. WBT was bought by CBS in the 1930s for the express purpose of improving their facility at Chicago, I believe it was. I seem to recall it had something to do with improving 780 in Chicago. It was sharing time with Omaha as I recall so they moved Omaha to 1110 off 780, got a small town station in the midwest to free up 1110 and take 780 daytime and WBT directionalized 1110 to protect KFAB in Omaha is how it went, I seem to recall from the story told to me.

Note on their pattern, there is also a null off to the east, southeast that is not nearly as deep as the one to the west,northwest.  If you were to go too far west to put signal in the western side of the metro , you would have issues putting a solid city grade groundwave signal at night back over Charlotte proper.  Also, the landing pattern at the Charlotte airport is north south so you have major airway issues not to mention the cost of property, etc. It might be interesting to see if any improvements could be had using the four towers of 610 but the costs for the equipment, etc. would be tremendous.  There were many efforts over the years to improve their nighttime signal to the west. Once there was an AM repeater station in Shelby which I believe operated directional with 1000 watts. I always questioned how much the FM signal helped them since the Gastonia area is well beyond it's 1 mvm contour. I guess they wanted a better signal in Rock Hill but I recall the AM nighttime signal does pretty well there.

You can't hear WBT in Gastonia at night but it booms into South Georgia where I grew up in the 1970s and listened to it crystal clear every night on a transitor radio. Charlotte's low ground conductivity doesn't help matters either with WBT's nighttime coverage.

Another similar situation exists with 680 WPTF in Raleigh. Although not a Class A Clear channel facility like WBT, it would have much better coverage of the Raleigh Durham market if the transmitter site were located Northwest of Raleigh or even just northwest of Durham and pushed its 50KW off to the Southeast and Northwest. Right now the city of Raleigh is almost in their null to the northeast..a lazy figure 8 pattern that is oriented northwest/southeast off their two short towers.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 03:39:30 PM »

Art, the WBT booster in Shelby was a synchronous non directional 1000 watts. WBZ had one at one time. KKOB  still has one.


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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 03:51:15 PM »

I haven't tried it lately but I used to get WWWE (1100 in Cleveland) and KMOX (1120 in St. Louis) better than WBT. That's east of town.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 07:38:00 PM »

Yes, WBT-AM's nightime signal is completely gone about 50 miles east/se of their tx, always has been, except for a few months after Hugo when they lost one of their towers.  I believe even eastern Union is very iffy at night.  The crazy thing is, they claim not to be nulled to the SE, and I can't see any reason why they would be, but THEY ARE.  The daytime signal IS ALSO nulled in the same direction---you don't really get a useable signal past 50 miles then either.  Regarding 99.3, I agree the signal is of little use if we're talking about Gaston county, and WBT-AM provides a blockbuster signal 24/7 to 99.3's prime coverage area, York, Lancaster and Chester Cos.  At least they have the advantage of being available in FM in those areas and south Charlotte (where most of WBT's listeners are)  But, why would I care?  I find the programming on WBT offensive.....   
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 09:29:44 PM »

Another similar situation exists with 680 WPTF in Raleigh. Although not a Class A Clear channel facility like WBT, it would have much better coverage of the Raleigh Durham market if the transmitter site were located Northwest of Raleigh or even just northwest of Durham and pushed its 50KW off to the Southeast and Northwest. Right now the city of Raleigh is almost in their null to the northeast..a lazy figure 8 pattern that is oriented northwest/southeast off their two short towers.
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Thanks Art for your explanations.  At your suggestion, I did look at fybush.com and the info on WBT's transmitters.  The diamond-shaped towers are a quite unique design.

I never considered the null out to the SE of the city.  However, a couple of decades ago when I was in the Marines stationed near Camp Lejeune, WBT's nighttime signal would be very strong on the coast and I remember listening to the then-Charlotte Hornets first year broadcasts at night.   Must have been their skip-signal affect being that far east of Charlotte.  Also, WPTF was quite clear at night there except about an hour before sunset when 680 out of Atlanta could be heard on top of them.

Being here in Atlanta (Kennesaw) WBT is audible up here at night, but not really that clear since Metro Atlanta seems to be on the very edge of WBT's contour pattern.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 02:29:28 PM »

Any daytime null to the SE on 1110/WBT is topographical since radiation from the single tower is omnidirectional--most likely caused by the lousy soil conductivity along the sandy coastal plains. (Interestingly enough, the mountains to the west-northwest likewise create a "directional" effect, more-or-less pushing BT's daytime signal to the NE/SW much like the night DA).

The oblong night pattern that creates the very real SE null at night is one of the standard patterns created by three-tower directional rigs--and the null is essentially a (softer) mirror image of the severe null to the west-northwest needed to protect KFAB.

The resulting pattern literally forces WBT's night signal to the northeast & southwest, and as Art noted above, 1110's night signal booms into southwest Georgia and up the Shenandoah Valley like clockwork (basic physics--it's gotta go somewhere). In Hagerstown, Maryland in the early seventies, 1110/WBT was a huge player during their Top 40 (?) period. I can still sing the jingles... 
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 05:38:59 PM »

their groundwave/skywave seems to cancel in the triad, WBT sounds like a shortwave station day and nite
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 06:45:22 AM »

I've noticed driving North on 77 pre-sunrise, the WBT signal is barely listenable much beyond the Mooresville/Statesville areas.  What's with that?
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 09:04:26 AM »

I've noticed driving North on 77 pre-sunrise, the WBT signal is barely listenable much beyond the Mooresville/Statesville areas.  What's with that?

Well, pre-sunrise, BT is still on the night rig which drives the signal northeast and southwest. Going due north you drive into the null--the backside of the pattern--by the time you hit Statesville.

Right around sunrise you may also be picking up interference on 1110 from the 50-kw daytimer WYRM in Norfolk, which most likely signs-on before the sun comes up in western NC. (Let's see... does the sun still come up in the east)? Even though they employ a severe directional to protect WBT, those pesky AM signals bounce around all over the place early in the morning...
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