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LinoNYC
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2007, 04:38:14 AM »

I agree.
On AM, HD Radio is a disaster.
On FM, expensive, complex, proprietary HD radio is unnecessary. You can get better performance, extra programming channels, digital performance, and better compatibility without using adjacent channels.
See FMeXtra, the truly In Band On Channel FM digital transmission system that got final FCC approval before HD radio:
www.dreinc.com


Since we are into repeating ourselves here: "On AM, HD Radio is a disaster."

Am radio is a disaster. Ancient demos, declining listener base, it's remaining viable format slowly migrating to FM. Once-great AM facilities now in the hands of churches and other hucksters.

AM iboc may be grasping at straws but the stations that can implement it are atleast trying to survive.

FM Extra: Nice idea I like the concept of non-proprietary software, however it kills the use of subcarriers and if you want full digital bandwidth (which is still half the iboc maximum) you have to kill the baseband stereo. Mono FM, is that your idea of progress?

Stations broadcasting in FM Extra - USA= 4
     "             "             FM Iboc  - USA = 1200+ and counting.

Receivers?

Lino
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2007, 01:26:57 PM »

I agree.
On AM, HD Radio is a disaster.
On FM, expensive, complex, proprietary HD radio is unnecessary. You can get better performance, extra programming channels, digital performance, and better compatibility without using adjacent channels.
See FMeXtra, the truly In Band On Channel FM digital transmission system that got final FCC approval before HD radio:
www.dreinc.com


Since we are into repeating ourselves here: "On AM, HD Radio is a disaster."

Am radio is a disaster. Ancient demos, declining listener base, it's remaining viable format slowly migrating to FM. Once-great AM facilities now in the hands of churches and other hucksters.

AM iboc may be grasping at straws but the stations that can implement it are atleast trying to survive.

FM Extra: Nice idea I like the concept of non-proprietary software, however it kills the use of subcarriers and if you want full digital bandwidth (which is still half the iboc maximum) you have to kill the baseband stereo. Mono FM, is that your idea of progress?

Stations broadcasting in FM Extra - USA= 4
     "             "             FM Iboc  - USA = 1200+ and counting.

Receivers?

Lino

"....now in the hands of churches and other hucksters..."

Do I detect some religious bias here?   churches = hucksters?  The hucksters are where the big money is, on television.

As for going mono with FMeXtra, it's a perfect solution for those migrating mono AM news/talk formats onto FM. You get 128k left over to work with for less than $10,000 - as opposed to HD radio's very expensive 96k.


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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2007, 09:09:59 PM »

"....now in the hands of churches and other hucksters..."

Do I detect some religious bias here?   churches = hucksters?  The hucksters are where the big money is, on television.

As for going mono with FMeXtra, it's a perfect solution for those migrating mono AM news/talk formats onto FM. You get 128k left over to work with for less than $10,000 - as opposed to HD radio's very expensive 96k.


If you believe that any form of organized superstition is anything but mass lunacy...that's your business. Don't inflict it on me.

The above remark isn't aimed at you but I don't like seeing what has happened to AM radio as it's audience abandonds it.
 

You mention "migrating mono AM news/talk formats onto FM" -why do you think that is happening when most N-T stations are on strong AM signals?

The reason is that young listners won't tune-in AM.    Hannitty, limbaugh etc. have no long-term future as long as their fate is tied to a medium that has over-50 listeners only. BTW: It's fine with me if those shows and their like vanish.

The problem with FM Extra (aside from no one using it or making receivers)  is the fact that it is a band-exclusive solution, it does nothing for AM and you and I both know that if it comes to manufacturers deciding what to put their money into the AM section will get the short end. 

I know that people will suggest the Kahn system but while it may be less disruptive to the band, it's a half-assed grafted-on approach and again, it'll reqire separate licensing to manufacture it and Fm Extra as well as a more complicated receiver.

If iboc ultimately fails, I'd suggest that we except that some things will just remain analog and push for better receiver standards along with a widened AM mask. I know what high quality AM can sound like, I grew up with it, but for 40 years AM has been an afterthought and it will take a major push to turn it's fate at this point.

Lino
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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2007, 08:54:54 AM »

As a Christian, much of the religious broadcasting offends me.  I don't see anything wrong with a legitimate, conventional church broadcasting its services.  That is a valuable service to people who might want to attend but can't attend for a variety of reasons.

Organizations like TBN are a different matter entirely.  They're an embarrassment.  TBN is a perpetual begathon that preaches prosperity gospel (if you give them money, God will bless you, if you don't, God will punish you.)  It's owners reportedly have some 30 homes and a private jet.

FMeXtra is a joke.  Too late to the party.  Virtually nobody using the system.  I'm sure it works fine for some apps like STL and reading services, but it will never gain traction as a broadcast medium.
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2007, 10:32:06 AM »

We REALLY shouldn't get into religion here, but IF religion is all superstition (and the burden of proof should be upon the believers, right?), then it would follow that there's no such thing as a "legitimate" church. Logical, right? Of course, religion is the one place where logic CLEARLY has no place! Wink
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