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Author Topic: 790 WQSV, Ashland City is selling out to the Mexicans!  (Read 3535 times)
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 09:12:51 PM »

Are you suggesting there's a smuggling ring dealing in spot inventory?

sure: you can buy your :60s or :30s in little baggies...
the :10s come wrapped in foil.

just what I heard... Wink
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 09:13:50 PM »

I'm wondering why Bud Walters just didn't sell 1550 to the Hispanics?  Doug, something tells me after the 830 move is granted, the commission will let him keep 1550 on. I know he is to abondon 1550 after the 830 move is granted, but politics and strings can be pulled and that very thing could happen. I've seen it too many times.

I've not seen anything like that.

I have.

WCGR Canandaigua NY, 250 w ND-D on 1550. Got a CP in the mid-90s to move to 1310, 2500 w-DA, fulltime. A few months before it came on the air, they got the FCC to "recharacterize" the 1310 app as a new station, and to keep 1550 where it was. 1310 signed on as WCGR, 1550 became WLKA, simulcasting. Then 1310 was sold to a new owner, and the WCGR calls moved back to 1550, where they reside today.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2008, 08:32:01 AM »

I'm wondering why Bud Walters just didn't sell 1550 to the Hispanics?  Doug, something tells me after the 830 move is granted, the commission will let him keep 1550 on. I know he is to abondon 1550 after the 830 move is granted, but politics and strings can be pulled and that very thing could happen. I've seen it too many times.

I've not seen anything like that.

I have.

WCGR Canandaigua NY, 250 w ND-D on 1550. Got a CP in the mid-90s to move to 1310, 2500 w-DA, fulltime. A few months before it came on the air, they got the FCC to "recharacterize" the 1310 app as a new station, and to keep 1550 where it was. 1310 signed on as WCGR, 1550 became WLKA, simulcasting. Then 1310 was sold to a new owner, and the WCGR calls moved back to 1550, where they reside today.

Scott,
   Your right, if you know somebody in DC at the Media Branch, you can pull some strings and get things like this done. Scott, don't get me wrong, I like Bud Walters, but he's got political power and can get things like this done, making him mega money. His FM stations (102.5 & 102.9) are low rated in the Nashville Market, but I doubt he cares.
   I look for 1550 to stay on in Clarksville, TN, way after 830 goes on, and a hispanic format will go on that channel. He will move his Urban Gospel format to 830 to compete with Peter Davidson's 880 WNSG.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2008, 11:21:46 AM »

    I can tell you one way these Hispanic Owned & Operated stations make money, and it's the illegal way. There is more to it than the nasty taco stands along Murfreesboro Rd and Thompson Ln. It's brought in at the border, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what you mean. And I have been involved in Spanish langauge media for 45 years. Radio stations programmed for Spanish speaking Hispanics make their money just like radio stations programmed for Polish speaking Poles or English speaking Americans... they sell advertising and remotes and web banners and such.

Just saying something is illegal does not make it so; firing off an unfounded salvo is worse than the vague crimes you are accusing Hispanic stations of committing.

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   When WYXE here in Gallatin was sold from Richard Deck and Gary Frank (who now owns WTNK in Hartsville) to the Hispanics that have it now, I did engineering work for them. They always payed me CASH and they always had loads of cash in thier pockets.

Hispanic culture is more cash based. So?

The reasons are multiple. First, for those who may have spent part of their lives outside the US, inflation and bank instability are common, so keeping cash on hand is considered far more prudent than among multi-generation Americans. Second, in the US, banks have traditionally shunned Hispanic business so there are more cash transactions among Hispanics. There is nothing illegal about any of this... it is just a preference towards cash transactions.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2008, 12:27:36 PM »

    I can tell you one way these Hispanic Owned & Operated stations make money, and it's the illegal way. There is more to it than the nasty taco stands along Murfreesboro Rd and Thompson Ln. It's brought in at the border, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what you mean. And I have been involved in Spanish langauge media for 45 years. Radio stations programmed for Spanish speaking Hispanics make their money just like radio stations programmed for Polish speaking Poles or English speaking Americans... they sell advertising and remotes and web banners and such.

Just saying something is illegal does not make it so; firing off an unfounded salvo is worse than the vague crimes you are accusing Hispanic stations of committing.

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   When WYXE here in Gallatin was sold from Richard Deck and Gary Frank (who now owns WTNK in Hartsville) to the Hispanics that have it now, I did engineering work for them. They always payed me CASH and they always had loads of cash in thier pockets.

Hispanic culture is more cash based. So?

The reasons are multiple. First, for those who may have spent part of their lives outside the US, inflation and bank instability are common, so keeping cash on hand is considered far more prudent than among multi-generation Americans. Second, in the US, banks have traditionally shunned Hispanic business so there are more cash transactions among Hispanics. There is nothing illegal about any of this... it is just a preference towards cash transactions.



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    You may be doing it the right way, and the legal way, BUT, the group that I worked for in "03", I question their business practices.

    US banks have shunned hispanic business? Now I question that!
   
    Fifteen years ago, we didn't have this problem of hispanics taking over local AM radio stations, and leaving suburban communities without local English service. Now, it's all over the AM Dial. The major players haven't allow a hispanic format on FM in this market yet, but I see it coming.

   The owner of 1380 WHEW has got ahold of AM 850, WPFD-AM, which had a fantastic Classic Country following in a 97% white based community and turned it into a hispanic station. The Nashville Hispanic Chamber of Commerce wrote an article on him and praised him for what he's doing. This is getting out of hand and needs to stop! That's not serving the community of Fairview at all!
   
   The one and only locally owned and operated FM in this market, Lighting 100, WRLT-FM has had offers from hispanic groups to buy the station with money figures that are so unreal, one wonders where the money is coming from! Thank God Lester Turner won't sell to a Hispanic Group and I had a jock that works for him tell me so!
   
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2008, 03:29:17 PM »

You may be doing it the right way, and the legal way, BUT, the group that I worked for in "03", I question their business practices.

Then you should focus on a sleazy operator, which has nothing to do with ethnicity. Sleazy operators such as the pedophiles that have recently lost licences, or the ones from the past like Don Burden, occur occasionally and are a reflection on the individual.

Hispanics have owned essentially all the stations in Puerto Rico for 85 years. Yet the only license revocation was against an "Anglo" owner, O Roy Chalk. So would that mean that all non-Hispanic owners are corrupt based on one experience? Your example, assuming even that it is tru, was expanded on by your statement that indicated that such behaviour which you have not witnessed is widespread only because you think Hispanic owners are corrupt.

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US banks have shunned hispanic business? Now I question that!

In most markets, banks only have paid attention to Hispanics once the Hispanic presence becomes so large as to be impossible to hide. I can regale you with stories from big Hispanic markets in the US where an advertiser said "I don't want those people in my bank" or where a dealer associiation for a higher end car said, "your listeners don't buy my cars, they steal them."  Even today, a third of the Fortune 500 consumer goods companies son't use Hispanic media. That is "shun" with capital letters.
   
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Fifteen years ago, we didn't have this problem of hispanics taking over local AM radio stations,

First, why is serving an audience group that has grown into prominence a "problem?"  Radio identifies markets, such as lovers of 80's music or partisans of country, and delivers programming. In this case, the growth of the Hispanic group invites stations that have heretofor not been able to find economic success to try a new option that may actually work.

Traditionally, the first stations in a market have switched to Spanish or other ethnic formats because they were unable to compete in general market. As the market develops, then larger facilities come in.

 
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and leaving suburban communities without local English service.

Very marginal and unprofitable stations generally render much in the way of service. And the idea that small stations provide some kind of special suburban service that the metro flamethrowers don't provide is one I find to be lacking in many ways.
 
 
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   The one and only locally owned and operated FM in this market, Lighting 100, WRLT-FM has had offers from hispanic groups to buy the station with money figures that are so unreal, one wonders where the money is coming from!

Hispanic radio is the only growing sector in radio today. The money comes from the growth of this sector and the fact that advertisers are more and more liekly to target Hispanics today.

As your local Hispanic ocmmunity grows, it is very likely that there will be bigger and better Hispanic stations... look at Atlanta, where now there are two good signal FMs in Spanish, as opposed to a few years ago when the stations were daytime AMs, defective coverage AMs or rimshot Class A FMs.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2008, 09:10:29 PM »

Thanks for the history lesson.  Now let's ship all the illegals back to Tijuana and let their government worry about.  What do you think the percentage of legalized hispanics in Middle TN would be if you took the illegals out of the equation?

I think it would be a healthly number despite the non documented aliens.
They seem to marry large caucasian women and have a house full of kids.  The kids are citizens of the US right?

I am not up on immigration law.  Help us understand it better.
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2008, 09:46:38 PM »

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Now let's ship all the illegals back to Tijuana and let their government worry about.  What do you think the percentage of legalized hispanics in Middle TN would be if you took the illegals out of the equation?



And doing that would affect radio how?
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 10:34:04 PM »

Thanks for the history lesson.  Now let's ship all the illegals back to Tijuana and let their government worry about.  What do you think the percentage of legalized hispanics in Middle TN would be if you took the illegals out of the equation?

I think it would be a healthly number despite the non documented aliens.
They seem to marry large caucasian women and have a house full of kids.  The kids are citizens of the US right?

I am not up on immigration law.  Help us understand it better.

1. 80% of US Hispanics are legal.
2. Your stereotype of marrying ugly caucasians is untrue.
3. Childeren born in the US are US Citizens by birth..
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 12:26:42 AM »

WCGR Canandaigua NY, 250 w ND-D on 1550. Got a CP in the mid-90s to move to 1310, 2500 w-DA, fulltime. A few months before it came on the air, they got the FCC to "recharacterize" the 1310 app as a new station, and to keep 1550 where it was. 1310 signed on as WCGR, 1550 became WLKA, simulcasting. Then 1310 was sold to a new owner, and the WCGR calls moved back to 1550, where they reside today.

Strange.  I'm surprised their competitors let them get away with it.  Maybe that shows what an AM daytimer is really worth these days? Wink

(then again, with the "OK, I guess you *don't* have to give up your regular band license once your X-band operation has been on for five years" attitude in Washington, maybe one *shouldn't* be surprised?  I will admit to considerable surprise when I saw WMHG-1600 surrendered their license because their X-bander reached its fifth birthday...)
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