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Author Topic: 790 WQSV, Ashland City is selling out to the Mexicans!  (Read 3526 times)
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 07:55:37 PM »

You may be doing it the right way, and the legal way, BUT, the group that I worked for in "03", I question their business practices.

Then you should focus on a sleazy operator, which has nothing to do with ethnicity. Sleazy operators such as the pedophiles that have recently lost licences, or the ones from the past like Don Burden, occur occasionally and are a reflection on the individual.

Hispanics have owned essentially all the stations in Puerto Rico for 85 years. Yet the only license revocation was against an "Anglo" owner, O Roy Chalk. So would that mean that all non-Hispanic owners are corrupt based on one experience? Your example, assuming even that it is tru, was expanded on by your statement that indicated that such behaviour which you have not witnessed is widespread only because you think Hispanic owners are corrupt.

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US banks have shunned hispanic business? Now I question that!

In most markets, banks only have paid attention to Hispanics once the Hispanic presence becomes so large as to be impossible to hide. I can regale you with stories from big Hispanic markets in the US where an advertiser said "I don't want those people in my bank" or where a dealer associiation for a higher end car said, "your listeners don't buy my cars, they steal them."  Even today, a third of the Fortune 500 consumer goods companies son't use Hispanic media. That is "shun" with capital letters.
   
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Fifteen years ago, we didn't have this problem of hispanics taking over local AM radio stations,

First, why is serving an audience group that has grown into prominence a "problem?"  Radio identifies markets, such as lovers of 80's music or partisans of country, and delivers programming. In this case, the growth of the Hispanic group invites stations that have heretofor not been able to find economic success to try a new option that may actually work.

Traditionally, the first stations in a market have switched to Spanish or other ethnic formats because they were unable to compete in general market. As the market develops, then larger facilities come in.

 
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and leaving suburban communities without local English service.

Very marginal and unprofitable stations generally render much in the way of service. And the idea that small stations provide some kind of special suburban service that the metro flamethrowers don't provide is one I find to be lacking in many ways.
 
 
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   The one and only locally owned and operated FM in this market, Lighting 100, WRLT-FM has had offers from hispanic groups to buy the station with money figures that are so unreal, one wonders where the money is coming from!

Hispanic radio is the only growing sector in radio today. The money comes from the growth of this sector and the fact that advertisers are more and more liekly to target Hispanics today.

As your local Hispanic ocmmunity grows, it is very likely that there will be bigger and better Hispanic stations... look at Atlanta, where now there are two good signal FMs in Spanish, as opposed to a few years ago when the stations were daytime AMs, defective coverage AMs or rimshot Class A FMs.


So David, I guess you are dreaming of a day, just like some of the overseas imports are wanting, a day where all radio stations will be hispanic and there will be no non speaking English stations on anywhere. Come on dude this is America, and the only ethnic stations that have been suscessful in the past are Black Stations. Why, because they speak English, most of them born here, and are not illegal like Tenn Radio Boy has mention.

Most listeners in this area that are listening to hispanic station are illeagl anyway. I bet if we put a push on the Department of Immigration to go in and bust these people, 80% of them are not suppose to be in this country anyway. Also, don't hide the fact of why most of them don't have bank accounts and pay cash. We know where the money is coming from.

They are even taking over our TV media, and moving in taking over TV shows on cable.  We should NOT be forced to speak spanish, your stations should be forced to speak english. That is the way it has been here for over 200 years and your coming in here forcing the American public to speak spanish? Come on dude, if I had to live in Mexico, we would be force to speak spanish!
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 08:53:02 PM »

i'll take time out from scott's and mine good natured barbs at each other over oldies, the shell dinner hour etc..to seriously AGREE with scott..there's not one ounce of politically correct blood in me, [EDIT]i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...yes i know there are some that try to do it legaly..but they are vastly outnumbered by the rest..but until employers stop hiring them..they will continue to flood over the border..fence or no fence..as for cash transactions..thats easy..no paper trail to follow..no forms to fill out..no taxes to pay...whether you agree with me or not..i don't care...but it is what it is..now back to a regularly schedule programming...scott there is a market in nashville for oldies...   Grin


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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2008, 09:17:57 PM »

So David, I guess you are dreaming of a day, just like some of the overseas imports are wanting, a day where all radio stations will be hispanic and there will be no non speaking English stations on anywhere.

Not at all. As I said, radio as an industry has always been good at identifying segments of a market that are underserved and providing some type of programming to attract this underserved segment. When each maket has the appropriate number of stations for a specific group, there will be too much fragmentation for any more to come in.

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Come on dude this is America, and the only ethnic stations that have been suscessful in the past are Black Stations.

From the end of W.W. II there were stations like WOV and WHOM in New York which were all Italian, many Polish stations, and Spanish stations (the first fulltime ones were around 1947 and 1948). Plus, there were so many multi-ethinc stations or ethnic shows on general market stations that Broadcasting Yearbook 1950 had three pages of them in small type.

Spanish stations have been successful in the Continental US since the 40's, and there were hundreds of them by the 70's. Now, there are 997 of them. And we have an All Farsi station in LA, Vietnamese stations in Fresno, Houston and LA, etc. All are enormously successful.

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Why, because they speak English, most of them born here, and are not illegal like Tenn Radio Boy has mention.

I listen to Spanish radio, and I am not illegal. 80% or more of US Hispanics are legal. But even legal immigrants who learn English or who already knew it will generally not change their tastes in musci. I grew up on certain kinds of Spanish language music, and that is what I like today. There is no way I suddenly am going to like AOR or Alternative because I have had no exposure to that music. That's the whole reason why stations catering to large ethnic groups are so successful.  

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Most listeners in this area that are listening to hispanic station are illeagl anyway.

How do you know this? Besides not having a chance in hell of being true, it assumes that anyone who listens to Spanish radio is not legal. The fact is, Hispanics who are second generation and, of course, citizens, use Spanish radio a lot because they grew up on the music and it is part of their life.

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. Also, don't hide the fact of why most of them don't have bank accounts and pay cash. We know where the money is coming from.

Those who don't have bank accounts use check cashing establishments, just as a huge percentage of lower income non-Hispanics do. Then they pay things in cash with the proceeds.

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They are even taking over our TV media, and moving in taking over TV shows on cable. 

Yep, last week Univision was the number 2 network in 18-34 in the whole US. why? It superseves the lifestyle of US Hispanics, about 40 million of whom are legal.

 
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We should NOT be forced to speak spanish,

You don't have to.

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your stations should be forced to speak english.

That is not constitutional; it violates freedome of speech.

 
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That is the way it has been here for over 200 years

That is not true. Foriegn langauge media have a long tradition in the US. This goes back to Dutch newspapers in New York, German ones in Pennsylvania, etc. In the 60's and 70',s for example, Cleveland, Ohio had nearly 20 different foreign language periodicals. Today, instead of papers we have radio stations.

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and your coming in here forcing the American public to speak spanish?

Nobody forces anyone to speak Spanish. But if you want to have Hispanic customers, maybe learning Spanish would make you money.

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Come on dude, if I had to live in Mexico, we would be force to speak spanish!

No, there are huge American communites in Mexico... hundreds of thousands of people in total, who have retired there due to the more attractive cost of living and the better health care and they don't have to learn Spanish unless they want to.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 09:34:22 PM »

mexican stations routinly explain to there audience how and where to get the government freebies from food stamps, health care, welfare,collect social security.

Actually, they don't. Most AMERICAN stations programming for Hispanics are music and entertainment based, some with a bit of news and weather in the morning.

Besides, to get Social security, you have to have PAID IN FICA withholding... it's an entitlement based on contribution. Illegals are not eligible for most of the other things you mention, either.

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.and since very few americans listen to those stations..it goes virtually unnoticed.

Around half of US Hispanics are Citizens, so they are Americans. Start with the 8 million Puerto Ricans, all born US Citizens. And in the Southwest, many Mexican families have been here for 6 to 8 generations. Another 30% are residents and eligible for citizenship at some point.

 
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they buy a single family house in a neighborhood and immediately move in three of four families..

Or, like the Colombian and Venezuelan immigrants in Florida, the buy a million dollar plus condo and hire locals to do the gardening and housekeeping. You are stereotyping... yes, many immigrants both Hispanic and other... are lesser educated and low on the wage scale. But many are business owners and professionals and CEOs and such.

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they have no desire to assimliate into OUR culture.

The first generation Germans in the 1860's or the Italians after 1880' and so on did not assimilte much, either. The second generation did.

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.they want US to cater to them...[Edited for offensive content].......i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...

You realize the Almo was Mexicans fighting Mexicans? From sam Houston to Jim Bowie, all had taken Mexican citizenship in exchange for land. When they took a dislike to Mexican politicians, they started a sucessionist movement.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2008, 03:17:11 PM »

i'll take time out from scott's and mine good natured barbs at each other over oldies, the shell dinner hour etc..to seriously AGREE with scott..there's not one ounce of politically correct blood in me, s[EDIT]i'm still pissed off over the Alamo...yes i know there are some that try to do it legaly..but they are vastly outnumbered by the rest..but until employers stop hiring them..they will continue to flood over the border..fence or no fence..as for cash transactions..thats easy..no paper trail to follow..no forms to fill out..no taxes to pay...whether you agree with me or not..i don't care...but it is what it is..now back to a regularly schedule programming...scott there is a market in nashville for oldies...   Grin


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    Since you're an 60's Gold Guy, How come there are many artist that don't get play in that format. You know, I got to thinking Ronnie Dove from Balitmore, MD had alot of hits, especially some good ones the year I was born. They never get airplay and they cracked the top 20 in Billboard of 64-65.
    That is what has killed the 60's-early 70's format, the consultants play the same ole songs, day after day.  Never nothing done to "freshin it up".  Ronnie Dove was one of those "love song" kind of guy and his music can be redone to meet today's sound with today's artist.
    As you can tell, I'm sick of listening to someone who's facts are all wrong about the hispanic population, especially here in Nahsville, where 80% of them are illegal anyway, thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!
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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2008, 07:15:05 PM »

That is what has killed the 60's-early 70's format, the consultants play the same ole songs, day after day.

Consultants neither pick nor play the songs. Listeners do, via music tests which determine which of the hits of a past era are still popular and listeners want to hear. Most songs that charted are not playable today, as listeners don't want to hear them today.

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Never nothing done to "freshin it up".  Ronnie Dove was one of those "love song" kind of guy and his music can be redone to meet today's sound with today's artist.

Oldies stations, today, pretty much are moving to play songs that are from the late 60's to the early 80's. Any older, and the audience is too old for good sales results.

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    As you can tell, I'm sick of listening to someone who's facts are all wrong about the hispanic population, especially here in Nahsville, where 80% of them are illegal anyway,

You know this how? You checed everyone for their residency or citizenship status? Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke
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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2008, 09:26:33 PM »



 thanks to people like Bob Goodall here in Gallatin who built my house and hired illegals to to it!
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Unless you want to see the Feds at your front door with a warrant for being an accessory after the fact, perhaps you should keep your bigoted comments just shy of admitting that you knowingly hired illegal aliens.  Paid in cash or by check?  Did you or Mr. Goodall issue 1099's to your construction crew?  Looking to be audited by the IRS?  Want to keep that government approved license for WMRO?  Got a good communications attorney?  How about just listing the address of your "house and hired illegals to (build) it"?  Or maybe just a Mapquest with a big X on it.   Viva La Freedom!
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2008, 11:31:24 PM »

Well, maybe the threat of various three-lettered agencies ascending upon WMRO will be just the ticket to finally
stop any more posts about hayseed AM stations on this bored.

Can we get back to real radio topics ever again??? I say boycott AM on this board. Give it a rest. Geez.
NO ONE CARES TO READ the one millionth Nashville RI board post about a station with less power or importance than
a CHRISTMAS LIGHT on a strand of 1,000.
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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2008, 12:10:51 AM »

Well, maybe the threat of various three-lettered agencies ascending upon WMRO will be just the ticket to finally
stop any more posts about hayseed AM stations on this bored.

Yeah, I just realized that this is all about the grievances of a 250 watter with a 3 watt night power station on, shudder, 1560 which was purchased for $40,000 in the 90's and is likely worth less today.

What makes me shudder al the more are the accusations against another station of illegal activities; the place for such accusations is at the local law enforcement agency. If there is proof, justice will usually have its way. Otherwise, a radio forum is not a place to make unfounded accusations... some of which were against ALL of the nearly 1000 Spanish language radio stations in the US.

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2008, 06:55:59 AM »

Some posts in this thread have gone off topic and were moved to Take It Outside.

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=94997.0
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