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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« on: May 26, 2008, 01:07:28 AM »

A Part 15 simulcasting a translator is a WASTE. I'd rather rebroadcast something actually local-regional than waste precious airwaves doing THAT. Besides, syndicated Christian programming is EVERYWHERE. So are churches. Deal with it.

CSN, AFN, EMF, and others are RAPING the airwaves. Pure and simple. Especially where there are SEVERAL LOCAL Christian stations that can and do adaquetely serve the LOCAL religious audiences.

I got into a serious arguement recently with one of the VERY FEW CSN supporters I ever knew and I shot her arguement down so fast, there's a crater THIS big in Mount Vernon, WA. "Well you don't hear Christian teaching!" she exclaimed (There is the following: KARI 550, KCIS 630, and KGNW 820 from Seattle - all loud and clear here. And on FM, KCMS 105.3 and most of all, co-owned KWPZ 106.5 out of Lynden, which blasts a good 47,000 watt signal that almost wipes out 2nd adjacents KBKS 106.1 and KRWM 106.9 out of Seattle locally. I think that all is FAIR and good enough. Besides, these stations don't need the Twin Falls competition doing EXACTLY the same thing THEY are. Enough is enough.)

Besides, what's in Twin Falls should STAY in Twin Falls as far as I'm concerned. If God wants to strike me down for saying that, let Him. But personally, I don't think He will. He knows better and more than likely, He agrees with the rest of us. This isn't about preaching the Gospel to those who never had it, it's about self righteousness. Period.

We have two frequencies in Skagit County blasting CSN programming, 88.1 and 89.1, both perfectly good FM frequencies in the Mount Vernon area that could be used by public schools (offering potential radio careers and opportunities to young people - Guess God doesn't want THAT, now does He? Just the mortal agenda of a few some 685 miles away using His name as a crutch, right?)

I rest my case.

Sorry, but I really don't like these people and what they have done to local radio. It is the most un-Christian thing. it is SELF RIGHTEOUS GREED and NOTHING LESS - AT ALL. There are ABSOLUTELY NO good intentions WHATSOEVER behind it. PERIOD.











 

 
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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 11:21:42 AM »

A Part 15 simulcasting a translator is a WASTE. I'd rather rebroadcast something actually local-regional than waste precious airwaves doing THAT. Besides, syndicated Christian programming is EVERYWHERE. So are churches. Deal with it.

CSN, AFN, EMF, and others are RAPING the airwaves. Pure and simple. Especially where there are SEVERAL LOCAL Christian stations that can and do adaquetely serve the LOCAL religious audiences.

I got into a serious arguement recently with one of the VERY FEW CSN supporters I ever knew and I shot her arguement down so fast, there's a crater THIS big in Mount Vernon, WA. "Well you don't hear Christian teaching!" she exclaimed (There is the following: KARI 550, KCIS 630, and KGNW 820 from Seattle - all loud and clear here. And on FM, KCMS 105.3 and most of all, co-owned KWPZ 106.5 out of Lynden, which blasts a good 47,000 watt signal that almost wipes out 2nd adjacents KBKS 106.1 and KRWM 106.9 out of Seattle locally. I think that all is FAIR and good enough. Besides, these stations don't need the Twin Falls competition doing EXACTLY the same thing THEY are. Enough is enough.)

Besides, what's in Twin Falls should STAY in Twin Falls as far as I'm concerned. If God wants to strike me down for saying that, let Him. But personally, I don't think He will. He knows better and more than likely, He agrees with the rest of us. This isn't about preaching the Gospel to those who never had it, it's about self righteousness. Period.

We have two frequencies in Skagit County blasting CSN programming, 88.1 and 89.1, both perfectly good FM frequencies in the Mount Vernon area that could be used by public schools (offering potential radio careers and opportunities to young people - Guess God doesn't want THAT, now does He? Just the mortal agenda of a few some 685 miles away using His name as a crutch, right?)

I rest my case.

Sorry, but I really don't like these people and what they have done to local radio. It is the most un-Christian thing. it is SELF RIGHTEOUS GREED and NOTHING LESS - AT ALL. There are ABSOLUTELY NO good intentions WHATSOEVER behind it. PERIOD.


Congratulations, Bongwater!!!  You knocked that one outta the park!

You have received the first STANDING OVATION I've ever given to a COMPUTER MONITOR!!!  If I had a medal to pin to your chest, it would already be there!

Reading your post was like listening to myself talking!  These people are spectrum rapists.

In Sacramento, Salem (I'm sure everyone reading this has heard of them) has a 4-station cluster: 2 AMs and 2 FMs.  One AM (KFIA) is a 25,000-watt blowtorch with a huge footprint...coverage into over 30 counties (Redding to Modesto, basically the entire Sacramento Valley...including probably 200 miles of California coastline...from the Monterey Bay to at least the Mendocino coast) and guess what its format is...Christian teaching, both LOCAL and syndicated (in fact, I hear the SAME stuff on both the 95.5 translator and KFIA.   One of the FMs is Spanish Christian music, the other FM is Sacramento's "Fish," which is Contemporary Christian Music.  Then, we have 2 Family Radio outlets, one on AM (1210), one on FM (in the NCE part of the band) for THAT segment of the Christian community.  But wait, boys and girls, we're not done yet.  K-Love has at least two translators here, and is in the process right now of trying to get a full-power FM signal on at 99.5.  The possible upside to that is maybe (yes, maybe) they'll see the superfluity of the translators and shut them OFF (freeing up spectrum) when they're able to turn the 99.5 transmitter on.  This was all BEFORE the 95.5 K-Twin Falls translator ever got turned on.  THEN, (yes, there's more!) Stockton has a church-operated station (KCJH) whose signal reaches (I believe) into southern Sacramento Co.  So DON'T even think of trying to tell me that the Christian community in the Sacramento Valley is underserved.

As for the self-righteous aspect of it all, while I have no dispute with that argument (a lot do seem to believe their defecation has no odor...was that diplomatic enough?), I think it has a lot more to do with the aforementioned wallets/checkbooks.  Even though the Bible warns against being greedy, not all Christians are immune.  This isn't a dig, it's an observation.  I know a lot of Christians who like their "things" and comfortable lifestyles, even those who take the podium every Sunday and Wednesday, no matter how much you hear them quote John 3:16, but that's a whole other afternoon. 
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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 03:51:31 PM »

Salem and the Spanish Christian network you refer to are both operated by the same folks in Camarillo, California The Spanish Christian network is operated as a non-profit shell corporation of Salem. What is really ironic about Salem; is that it’s Jewish owned and operated, Christians need not apply.
Mark Pollack, Salem’s corporate engineer went on the air at a radio station I worked with in the eighties using every four-letter word in the book in rage and then some! Mark Pollack is one very nasty mean person to be around, always has been.
Salem Not Christian! Just in it for the bucks!

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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 11:23:16 AM »

Salem and the Spanish Christian network you refer to are both operated by the same folks in Camarillo, California The Spanish Christian network is operated as a non-profit shell corporation of Salem. What is really ironic about Salem; is that it’s Jewish owned and operated, Christians need not apply.
Mark Pollack, Salem’s corporate engineer went on the air at a radio station I worked with in the eighties using every four-letter word in the book in rage and then some! Mark Pollack is one very nasty mean person to be around, always has been.
Salem Not Christian! Just in it for the bucks!

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Steve: (just passing this along to you)

Even for a blog submission, Reply #14 on May 31, 2008 from “Steve” contains so many incorrect statements in one paragraph as to be amazing.  First of all, Salem Communications is a publicly traded company and most of the company’s management and employees are Christian and it is not “Jewish owned and operated” as Steve asserts.  However, Salem has no religious litmus test for hiring and its ranks, including on-air personalities, include people of many faiths and ethnic background.  Also, Salem’s Spanish language religious stations are not in a “non-profit shell corporation”.  They are part of Salem’s regular operations.  Lastly, Mark Pollack is not “Salem’s corporate engineer”.  John Ehde is Vice President, Engineering.  The comments made about Mark are obviously born of some kind of intense personal animosity and we leave it to Mark to decide if he wishes to respond.       

Dennis Ciapura
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Broadcast Development
Salem Communications Corporation


(And I might add that I totally agree with Dennis. Yes, I am a Salem Employee, and yes, you are so wrong in your statements)
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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 05:06:20 PM »

   Dennis then you have a problem with a group of current employees at Salem who are bold face lairs or clueless about the company they work for; A group of engineers and I sat at a table with Salem staffers including engineers who told us Salem and Christianity have little in common when we asked what Christian church Salem was part of. My friend of mine who is Jewish does engineering work for Salem thought Atsinger was Jewish too; I guess I will have to break the news to him! The way Salem dumps talent and treats employees is not Christian like in the least, just look how CEO Edward G. Atsinger dumped and treated veteran talk show host George Putnam after taking over 870am.
As far as Mark Pollack a Salem engineer is concerned; I was around him when he was darn right mean to young people and children who dared to come near him during a remote or God for bid talk to him, good thing we had Larry King an engineer at KNJO to contrast him; Larry really enjoyed mentoring to young people, always eager to teach anyone willing to learn about broadcast engineering.

Personally I don't like the way Salem buys radio stations just to shut them down, so they can boost the power of a major market station; I don't see how shutting down small to medium market radio stations serves in the community interest. I was also not impressed with the way Atsinger treated George Putnam after his 25plus years of service with KIEV-KRLA 870am Glendale.

If Salem is a Christian company, it should act like it!

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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 10:55:27 PM »

Steve:

It is my turn to respond to what you have said about me.  Every statement you have made about me is false.  I am not sure we even worked together as I do not recall a Steve Thomas, although I suppose this could be a radio name.

First, I am not a corporate engineer for Salem Communications.   I am a contract engineer working in the Los Angeles radio market.  Secondly, I never worked at KNJO and I was not on the air in the eighties.  The last time I was on the air was in the late 60’s and I never went on the air using profanity.  Hope you have an air check of this.  As far as hassling little children and young people, if this were the case I am sure I would have heard about it from my superiors at the time. 

I suggest you check your facts before impugning a professional engineer’s character on a public forum.  Your statements are libelous and slanderous.

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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 04:08:51 PM »

        Mark the fact is you were employed at KGOE during the early 70's, the station the late great Dick Haskey built as an engineer. My observation of your behavior around young people and public were at KGOE while you were setting up remotes and at the studios, not to mention when you had to broadcast from the transmitter shack when the morning jock was a little late.  I never said you were employed at KNJO, I only said that Larry King as an engineer, offered a nice contrast to your personality in public.

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As far as hassling little children and young people, if this were the case I am sure I would have heard about it from my superiors at the time.
Your superiors were not around while you were setting up remotes most of the time, but on one occasion that really stands out; I and Larry King were at the Park Oaks shopping where you were setting up for a live remote for KGOE in a store front, when you went off on some kid for asking you a question about radio, we were so disgusted and shocked that Larry and I invited the boy over to KNJO in the same center to show him how real radio people behave. That boy you went off on Mark became a major talent in Ventura County radio and remembers you very well.

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I never went on the air using profanity
You must be clueless about how many people in Thousand Oaks herd you do it, besides hearing you myself; I have several witnesses.

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I am not a corporate engineer for Salem Communications
Then the superiors and staff members at Salem should not refer to you as such when asked, and they were asked about your status at Salem. I guess George Putnam was not the only person mislead by corporate management at Salem!

There are some important lessons here for all people in radio to learn here:

1. When you are in the public eye representing your radio station; you should be on your best behavior on or off duty.

2. If you don't have a warm friendly outgoing personality, you should stick to the studio or transmitter shack!

3. Radio Stations should be careful whom they send out to greet the public during remotes; you never know which client that rude nasty personality might offend.

4. Some people have very long memories.

Case in point:
In my forty plus years in broadcasting, Mark was the first engineer I encountered with such a personality displayed in public, but not the last. Recently I happen to be at a restaurant with a group of engineers from the Los Angeles area, including the late Brad Sobel. While we were eating pizza across the street from the radio station the engineers were building, the wife of one engineers sent an air personality over to join us for a slice. That engineer went into a rage, calling his wife and demanding she come over to the Pizza restaurant ASAP. Keep in mind, we were at a public restaurant loaded with guess, the wife walks from across the street and the moment she stepped into the restaurant this engineer got up and went into a screaming rage over his wife offering a slice of pizza to unpaid air talent.  Turns out a few guess in the restaurant were soon to be former clients of that radio station, as mentioned that engineer was also air talent at the station. You would be surprised how fast that episode at the pizza place spread around town; one engineer/air talent can do allot of damage to a radio station in short order.

I lost all respect for that engineer, himself air talent and never spoke to him again. What I find most ironic about that engineer is he and Mark are good friends and contract for the same company, what a small world!

If I ever caught a member of our staff disrespecting a listener or being rude in public, it would be their last day with us! These types of people can do allot of damage to your stations image in the community; sometimes the damage is permanent! Community radio stations really have to be on guard with the types of folks they have connected to the station.

As far as Salem is concerned, it’s too much like Clear Channel for my taste!

They both like to power down or shut down small to medium market station in favor of already over saturated major markets.

When speaking with upper management, the truth rarely comes out.

Both are very weak when it comes to serving in the public interest.

Disgruntled present and former employees are not hard to find.


 I have been following Salem operations since KDAR hit the airwaves back in the eighties; I have never been impressed with their operations or taste in engineers! I ask direct questions and expected honest answers from their management; considering who they claim to be!


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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 05:39:10 PM »

Steve:

Your supposed examples of my behavior are highly suspect when the details you “remember” are not supported by fact.   KGOE was never set up to broadcast from the transmitter site as the owners at the time did not have the money or the equipment to do this.  I was never on the air at any time at KGOE.

KGOE never broadcast from the Park Oaks shopping center while I worked there. The only remotes we did were from the Topanga Plaza shopping center and Los Robles golf course, so the event you remember in such detail did not take place.

I’m glad to have had the opportunity to clear up for you such obviously painful and clearly fanciful memories from 35 years ago.  This will be my last response to your nonsense.

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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 12:30:06 PM »

  Mark Pallock you are clearly suffering from a serious memory loss or you are a boldface liar; KGOE did many more remotes than what you admit to while you were there. I have several well known broadcasters that will tell you my memory about KNJO and KGOE is outstanding and spot on, in fact I was able to tell one DJ exactly what he was doing in 1968 when the bulletin that MLK was killed came over the teletype. Next thing you know, you are going to tell me you did not man the transmitter shack before KGOE was authorized for remote operation. Keep in mind Mark, that I'm not the only one who has documented you covering for a late DJ's from the XMTR shack from the set up you had before the trailer was used for remotes at car lots and store openings around Thousand Oaks.
  While you are suffering memory loss or a liar, My memory is clearly intact, and I have a whole list of KNJO talent that can verify the status of my memory. Mark you should also keep in mind the talent that worked with you and know you are still alive including Bob Smith, Dave Kamper along with many others. Then there are the folks from Thousand Oaks who still remember you and the remotes you & KGOE did; unfortunately for you not everybody is dead and gone or suffering from memory loss.
  I have also received plenty of e-mails supporting my version of the events from folks I thought had long since past from the scene, if nothing else Mark; you help give the folks here an ideal of the types of people Salem chooses to associate with.

Steve
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Re: Part 15 FM on a licensed translator?-TIO
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 10:23:49 PM »

Excuse me...

What does this have to do with the discussion of putting a Part 15 FM on a translator?

Enough already!
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