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Author Topic: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios  (Read 4866 times)
TheBigA
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2008, 10:51:44 PM »


Who ultimately is going to pay for it? Us.


Not unless you buy a satellite receiver.  If you don't, it won't matter.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 02:45:28 AM »

This might make sense after the Ibiquity patent runs out.  Before then I don't believe the FCC will legally mandate all receiver manufacturers to pay a patent fee.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 06:51:51 AM »

This might make sense after the Ibiquity patent runs out.  Before then I don't believe the FCC will legally mandate all receiver manufacturers to pay a patent fee.

Why not?  You pay patent licensing fees all the time for similar products. For example, NTSC color television was invented in the early 1950s, and people paid patent royalties on it until about 1970. You can't buy an ATSC (digital) television today without paying patent royalties. RCA itself was formed in 1919 to pool the patents of General Electric, Westinghouse, Western Electric, and United Fruit.

The problem with IBOC radio is that what iBiquity is licensing is not simply patents, but rather a bundle of rights including trade secrets (secret "know-how").  There is no time limit on trade secrets as there is with patents -- they never "run out."

This business about the FCC adopting a secret standard -- with an inherent monopoly and a perpetual royalty stream -- is new and unprecedented, and I've complained vociferously about it.

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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 09:01:03 AM »

While PT Barnum famously declared "there's a sucker born every minute," the resounding marketplace failure of HD Radio bears eloquent witness to the common sense of most radio people.  I find the rejection of this scam refreshing and reassuring.

Personally: even if HD Radio worked acceptably from a technical viewpoint and didn't cause unacceptable self-interference to its own stations and adjacent-channel problems for others, I happen to believe the system would fail precisely for this reason.

We're Americans.  We were born and reared in freedom and regard it as a God-given right, not a favor bestowed by Big Government at its own pleasure and subject to revocation.  iBiquity/Alliance and the HD Debacle of 2002-2008 is a textbook example of the evil that a corrupt team of Big Government and Big Business can unleash on people.  Whether it's Bob Strew-Bull, David Rehr-End or T. Boone Pickens trying to sell us the scam-du-jour, we should always be mindful of Jefferson's admonition: "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

Let's all stay awake, for Pete's sake.  And never be afraid to defend what's important to you and others.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 09:02:24 AM »

Isn’t this still America? Companies who manufacture radio receivers still have the right to decided what technologies they want to sell based on market demands and their ability to make money. Many manufactures all ready sell and included support for MP3, USB, CD, DVD, Satellite Am/FM and HD.

The FCC should just mandate the end of AM/FM in 10 years for a total conversion to HD. And make converters and coupons available like they did for TV.

If the system is that good what’ stopping them? Maybe the FCC has doubts too.   

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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 10:19:08 AM »

The FCC should just mandate the end of AM/FM in 10 years for a total conversion to HD. And make converters and coupons available like they did for TV.

If the system is that good what’ stopping them? Maybe the FCC has doubts too.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

--TV broadcasters were given an extra channel, on a temporary basis, to initiate DTV operations.  After 2/17/09, they must darken one channel and turn in that license.  HD radio uses (in theory, obviously not in practice) the same channel as its analog counterpart.

--There is, from the consumer's POV, a tangible benefit to DTV, because many stores have trouble keeping the sets in stock.  Consumers have apparently seen little or no benefit from HD radio...not enough to prevent the receivers from being returned and/or thrown into the close-out bins.

--People don't generally own nearly as many TVs as they do radios.  You're talking about getting enough radios or converters into the marketplace to compete with 800-million-plus analog radios, which in your plan would go silent on a certain date.

--DTV signals don't interfere with their analog counterparts on adjacent channels.  As for HD radio, Bob Savage and other AM operators have made it abundantly clear that despite iBiquity's and the FCC's head-in-the-sand attitudes, AM-HD does interfere at distances of hundreds or thousands of miles.

At the rate HD radios are selling, waiting ten years would be pointless.  The critical mass of HD radios in the hands of consumers simply won't exist after that time.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2008, 07:50:02 AM »

Who else offers satellite radio besides XM-Sirius? 

Dish, DirecTV and DMX.

Oh, so a monopoly is when one entity does the job a little better than the others. But of course. Your posts are a window on the entitlement culture of elite mainstream media. Its ideal: cradle-to-grave, womb-to-tomb security for failed technologies, because big government knows better than the marketplace.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2008, 10:02:51 AM »


Dish, DirecTV and DMX.


They are not seen as competitors and none of those companies were included in the DOJ or FCC hearings on the issue. 

 They are not licensed by the FCC to operate as satellite radio companies as Sirius and XM are.


Oh, so a monopoly is when one entity does the job a little better than the others.


That's not MY definition of a monopoly, no.


Your posts are a window on the entitlement culture of elite mainstream media. Its ideal: cradle-to-grave, womb-to-tomb security for failed technologies, because big government knows better than the marketplace.

What are you talking about? Sounds like you've been watching way too much Fox News.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2008, 10:10:25 AM »

If you have Satellite radio you sure don't need HD Radio.

Most of us subscribed to get away from terrestrial radio and it's dull sameness.

Once you have feasted on satellite's many offerings HD radio programming doesn't even make for a good snack.
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Re: FCC inquiry - HD on Sattelite Radios
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2008, 10:17:46 AM »

If you have Satellite radio you sure don't need HD Radio.

Most of us subscribed to get away from terrestrial radio and it's dull sameness.

Once you have feasted on satellite's many offerings HD radio programming doesn't even make for a good snack.

That's not the issue.  The issue is that the two companies merged, and the FCC is looking for some payback.  By merging, the two companies have broken their agreement, made when they got their licenses, that they would never merge.  There are only two licenses available, and both of them are now held by the same company.

If you are a satellite subscriber, and you choose not to listen to HD, you have that choice. 
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