RE: Perspectives and dilemmas

[keystonejock]

"as bankers and the repeal of the anti-trafficking rule encouraged a run up in radio prices... Then things got worse in the 90s as consolidation was proposed to bail out all the companies that paid too much for radio stations in the 80s."

Whew! Here's someone who was TRULY paying attention. Most folks don't understand how & why we're where we are now, but this is it in a nutshell. Jax does have the notoriety of being the birthplace of consolidation, in the sense that in-house lawyers from Florida's biggest homegrown cluster-monger wrote the enabling legislation and hand-fed it to the local bought-and-paid-for congressman. Sure, BP was just bird-dogging for LM, but somebody had to write the actual words for oligopoly to happen. To undo it, we need the second coming of Teddy Roosevelt--a "Big Stick" to break up our modern-day radio Standard Oils and re-regulate Big Bidness. Sure it can happen--this stuff is cyclical--but we gotta stop voting for the guys who did this. Sorry, I know--they're keeping the gays out of our schools and the guns in our pick-em-ups, but if you want radio back you're gonna have to start voting for Democrats...  

"Meanwhile, as Radio ignored Gen X, Gen Y is ignoring radio."

This may be an "Urban Myth." Cume ratings in 12-17/18-34 aren't that different from 5 & 10 years ago--still up in the 90+ percent range. Can we continue to do radio the way we did it 30 years ago and keep 'em around long enough to register TSL/AQH? Of course not. But as the Gen Y programmers replace retiring Boomer programmers--and the few Gen X programmers find real jobs--there's hope.

[FloridaBear1776]

> Whew! Here's someone who was TRULY paying attention. Most
> folks don't understand how & why we're where we are now, but
> this is it in a nutshell. Jax does have the notoriety of
> being the birthplace of consolidation, in the sense that
> in-house lawyers from Florida's biggest homegrown
> cluster-monger wrote the enabling legislation and hand-fed
> it to the local bought-and-paid-for congressman. Sure, BP
> was just bird-dogging for LM, but somebody had to write the
> actual words for oligopoly to happen.

I believe the "BP" to whom you're referring, sold it, as he does just about every regulatory change he has ever lobbied for, as a way to promote good, clean programming on the airwaves, which usually turns into infomercials when he can't find a way to make "clean" media pay for itself.

[Super Jax]

Read your own time line!  Clinton was all for this thing we call "consolodation"!   So vote yourself higher taxes and gun control, but Clear Channel ain't going nowhere!

Did you read global warming is coming from the sun getting hotter? True!  Mars is also experiencing global warming!  Scientists don't know how it's happening!  Sure we do; George W. Bush!  How does he do it?  Haliburton must have helped!

The Soup      


 "as bankers and the repeal of the anti-trafficking rule Sorry, I
> know--they're keeping the gays out of our schools and the
> guns in our pick-em-ups, but if you want radio back you're
> gonna have to start voting for Democrats...  
>
> "Meanwhile, as Radio ignored Gen X, Gen Y is ignoring
> radio."
>
> This may be an "Urban Myth." Cume ratings in 12-17/18-34
> aren't that different from 5 & 10 years ago--still up in the
> 90+ percent range. Can we continue to do radio the way we
> did it 30 years ago and keep 'em around long enough to
> register TSL/AQH? Of course not. But as the Gen Y
> programmers replace retiring Boomer programmers--and the few
> Gen X programmers find real jobs--there's hope.
>

[tibbs]

I have to agree that the "vote Democrat" comment to
"get radio back" has to be the damned most stupid comment
ever stated on radio-info.com.


Clinton WAS 100% behind the approval of de-reg which
allowed the big fish to become whales and ate up
Main Street radio. CLINTON, was/ is a Democrat
in case you did not know. He's also an actor on
jibjab.com by the way, for those of you with any
sense of humor.

The bright side? These corporations paid us stupid
little and medium (and large) market owners $$$$$$$$$$$
more than we would have ever made running these radio stations.

Hence, Clinton actually tried to help big business get
more of the pie, took "the little man out" and ended
strapping the big guys with so much debt or losing
radio station (by paying crazy multiples) that the
only way to even remotely have a chance to make money is
to offer crappy, remote, automated stations PUTTING
the LITTLE PEOPLE out of work.

What denial based falsehood comeback does anyone have
to these facts? I'll stand behind them as 100% as true.

Edited by tibbs on 09/23/05 04:45 AM.

[keystonejock]

You WERE paying attention! A real student of the game. And, yes, the infomercial king was really just a stalking horse for the Texans, as were numerous other "companies" that suddenly emerged as "big group operators" only to disappear in 3 years' time. Gathering up their legal limit of stations only to pass them along to the real owner: Clear Channel. Pretty clever, and very remunerative.

And Clinton was clever, too--stealng GOP positions (welfare reform, free trade, deregulation) to get himself elected--twice! Dems understand, now, that they were used... and won't likely let his wife pull the same stuff. Republican Lite don't work no more (see "John Kerry").

But the positions--deregulation, laissez faire free enterprise and pro-monopoly legislation--are Republican staples dating back to the 19th century--when the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers & Carnegies--the Robber Barons--ruled. The big difference now--they being 100 years smarter--is that today's Robber Barons have managed to distract the average lunk with social smokescreens (abortion, gays, guns, war) while robbing 'em.

Robbery? What robbery? See, that's the problem. Ya gotta connect the dots.

Unless/until you grasp this, and decide to fight it, you'll never get your industry back. As someone above said, CC ain't going away--at least not without a tussle.


> I believe the "BP" to whom you're referring, sold it, as he
> does just about every regulatory change he has ever lobbied
> for, as a way to promote good, clean programming on the
> airwaves, which usually turns into infomercials when he
> can't find a way to make "clean" media pay for itself.
>

[Super Jax]

The Soup will take each bullet point separately.  Read on, Read on, READ ON!
>
> And Clinton was clever, too--stealng GOP positions (welfare
> reform, free trade, deregulation) to get himself
> elected--twice! Dems understand, now, that they were used...
> and won't likely let his wife pull the same stuff.
> Republican Lite don't work no more (see "John Kerry").
 
Are you saying Hanoi John was Republican Lite?  You got him confused with John McCain my friend!    
>
> But the positions--deregulation, laissez faire free
> enterprise and pro-monopoly legislation--are Republican
> staples dating back to the 19th century--when the
> Vanderbilts, Rockefellers & Carnegies--the Robber
> Barons--ruled.

Liberal definition of Robber Baron- Succesful Capitalist who understands supply and demand!

The big difference now--they being 100 years
> smarter--is that today's Robber Barons have managed to
> distract the average lunk with social smokescreens
> (abortion, gays, guns, war) while robbing 'em.

Pretty clever of those evil free market folks huh?  

> Robbery? What robbery? See, that's the problem. Ya gotta
> connect the dots.
>
> Unless/until you grasp this, and decide to fight it, you'll
> never get your industry back. As someone above said, CC
> ain't going away--at least not without a tussle.

I hope CC isn't going away, their stock ROCKS!    
   
> > I believe the "BP" to whom you're referring, sold it, as
> he
> > does just about every regulatory change he has ever
> lobbied
> > for, as a way to promote good, clean programming on the
> > airwaves, which usually turns into infomercials when he
> > can't find a way to make "clean" media pay for itself.

Winston Churchill said "If at 21 you are not a Liberal, you don't have a heart1  If at 40 you are not a Conservative, you don't have a brain!"

That's all the bitchin' the Soup is gonna do!


> >
>

[keystonejock]

The Soup must be one of the winners. Truthfully, I am, too--consolidation hasn't hurt my career (I also recommend XM stock)--it's just hurt others' careers. About half the employees are gone, now. The entry level is gone, too, by the way. Congratulations, Soup! Let 'em eat cake! And let 'em listen to i-Pods...



> The Soup will take each bullet point separately.  Read on,
> Read on, READ ON!
> >
> > And Clinton was clever, too--stealng GOP positions
> (welfare
> > reform, free trade, deregulation) to get himself
> > elected--twice! Dems understand, now, that they were
> used...
> > and won't likely let his wife pull the same stuff.
> > Republican Lite don't work no more (see "John Kerry").
>  
> Are you saying Hanoi John was Republican Lite?  You got him
> confused with John McCain my friend!    
> >
> > But the positions--deregulation, laissez faire free
> > enterprise and pro-monopoly legislation--are Republican
> > staples dating back to the 19th century--when the
> > Vanderbilts, Rockefellers & Carnegies--the Robber
> > Barons--ruled.
>
> Liberal definition of Robber Baron- Succesful Capitalist who
> understands supply and demand!
>
> The big difference now--they being 100 years
> > smarter--is that today's Robber Barons have managed to
> > distract the average lunk with social smokescreens
> > (abortion, gays, guns, war) while robbing 'em.
>
> Pretty clever of those evil free market folks huh?  
>
> > Robbery? What robbery? See, that's the problem. Ya gotta
> > connect the dots.
> >
> > Unless/until you grasp this, and decide to fight it,
> you'll
> > never get your industry back. As someone above said, CC
> > ain't going away--at least not without a tussle.
>
> I hope CC isn't going away, their stock ROCKS!    
>    
> > > I believe the "BP" to whom you're referring, sold it, as
>
> > he
> > > does just about every regulatory change he has ever
> > lobbied
> > > for, as a way to promote good, clean programming on the
> > > airwaves, which usually turns into infomercials when he
> > > can't find a way to make "clean" media pay for itself.
>
> Winston Churchill said "If at 21 you are not a Liberal, you
> don't have a heart1  If at 40 you are not a Conservative,
> you don't have a brain!"
>
> That's all the bitchin' the Soup is gonna do!
>
>
> > >
> >
>

[Super Jax]

Keystone,

Consolodation got out of control. I agree.  We went from 7 AMs and FMs nationally to a minimum of that many stations a market.  All I am saying is don't knee jerk by putting anti business politicians in charge!

The market will decide and local programming will win out!  Save your XM and IPOD guilt trip for another poster.  I just think we can get back to point A in a different way!

Have a great first weekend of Autumn!

God Bless and prayers for those in Rita's way!

The Soup

 


> The Soup must be one of the winners. Truthfully, I am,
> too--consolidation hasn't hurt my career (I also recommend
> XM stock)--it's just hurt others' careers. About half the
> employees are gone, now. The entry level is gone, too, by
> the way. Congratulations, Soup! Let 'em eat cake! And let
> 'em listen to i-Pods...
>
>
>
> > The Soup will take each bullet point separately.  Read on,
>
> > Read on, READ ON!
> > >
> > > And Clinton was clever, too--stealng GOP positions
> > (welfare
> > > reform, free trade, deregulation) to get himself
> > > elected--twice! Dems understand, now, that they were
> > used...
> > > and won't likely let his wife pull the same stuff.
> > > Republican Lite don't work no more (see "John Kerry").
> >  
> > Are you saying Hanoi John was Republican Lite?  You got
> him
> > confused with John McCain my friend!    
> > >
> > > But the positions--deregulation, laissez faire free
> > > enterprise and pro-monopoly legislation--are Republican
> > > staples dating back to the 19th century--when the
> > > Vanderbilts, Rockefellers & Carnegies--the Robber
> > > Barons--ruled.
> >
> > Liberal definition of Robber Baron- Succesful Capitalist
> who
> > understands supply and demand!
> >
> > The big difference now--they being 100 years
> > > smarter--is that today's Robber Barons have managed to
> > > distract the average lunk with social smokescreens
> > > (abortion, gays, guns, war) while robbing 'em.
> >
> > Pretty clever of those evil free market folks huh?  
> >
> > > Robbery? What robbery? See, that's the problem. Ya gotta
>
> > > connect the dots.
> > >
> > > Unless/until you grasp this, and decide to fight it,
> > you'll
> > > never get your industry back. As someone above said, CC
> > > ain't going away--at least not without a tussle.
> >
> > I hope CC isn't going away, their stock ROCKS!    
> >    
> > > > I believe the "BP" to whom you're referring, sold it,
> as
> >
> > > he
> > > > does just about every regulatory change he has ever
> > > lobbied
> > > > for, as a way to promote good, clean programming on
> the
> > > > airwaves, which usually turns into infomercials when
> he
> > > > can't find a way to make "clean" media pay for itself.
>
> >
> > Winston Churchill said "If at 21 you are not a Liberal,
> you
> > don't have a heart1  If at 40 you are not a Conservative,
> > you don't have a brain!"
> >
> > That's all the bitchin' the Soup is gonna do!
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>