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RadioFreak965
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97 FOX
« on: June 09, 2005, 09:26:39 PM »

Any chances of WFOX flipping to something anytime soon?  I remember living in Atlanta and it being Oldies -- Would flipping BACK to Oldies be a possibility?  I know it sounds absurd, but it happened in St. Louis.  Their current ratings aren't good at all..

What do you think?  Any other candidates for Oldies?
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Re: 97 FOX
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2005, 03:28:49 AM »

> Any chances of WFOX flipping to something anytime soon?  I
> remember living in Atlanta and it being Oldies -- Would
> flipping BACK to Oldies be a possibility?  I know it sounds
> absurd, but it happened in St. Louis.  Their current ratings
> aren't good at all..
>
> What do you think?  Any other candidates for Oldies?
>


They could flip but oldies is not happening again at 97.1fm. I think Cox must be happy with the way they can sell 95.5/97.1/104.1 as a combo which enables the revenue to be sufficient. 97.1 programmed as a jukebox has to be extremely  cheap to run so unless they can find another cheap format to put on 97.1 i only see tweaking as in the realm of possibilities.
People on these boards focus too much on ratings and not on the revenue and profits stations have which is more important. 97.1 has to be a high profit station and does not need strong ratings to be that way. The costs involved in increasing its ratings would eat into its actual profit.
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Re: 97 FOX
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 08:09:44 AM »

> I think Cox must be happy with the way they can sell
> 95.5/97.1/104.1 as a combo which enables the revenue to be
> sufficient. 97.1 programmed as a jukebox has to be extremely
>  cheap to run so unless they can find another cheap format
> to put on 97.1 i only see tweaking as in the realm of
> possibilities.
> People on these boards focus too much on ratings and not on
> the revenue and profits stations have which is more
> important.

WFOX is the biggest waste of a 100,000-watt facility in a major market that I've ever heard of.  They do not sell it in combination with 95.5 but they do sell it in combination with 104.1.  They use the station simply to get higher ad rates for 104.1, to show higher ratings (when combined with 104.1) and take ad dollar share from V-103.

And you're correct that revenue is more important than ratings.  But keep in mind that revenue and ratings are generally closely related.

Edited by RoddyFreeman on 06/11/05 12:24 AM.

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Re: 97 FOX
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2005, 11:36:24 AM »

This is a perfect example why the FCC should change the rules back to ONE AM, ONE FM and ONE TV station per company per market.  Then, maybe just maybe we would start seeing (or should I say hearing) better radio than what we have today.

There is NO reason why Cox, Clear Channel, Infinity, Radio One or anyone else needs more than one station per market.

> WFOX is the biggest waste of a 100,000-watt facility in a
> major market that I've ever heard of.  They do not sell it
> in combination with 95.5 but they do sell it in combination
> with 104.1.  They use the station simply to get higher ad
> rates for 104.1, to show higher ratings (when combined with
> V-103) and take ad dollar share from V-103.
>
> And you're correct that revenue is more important than
> ratings.  But keep in mind that revenue and ratings are
> generally closely related.
>
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 12:05:55 PM »

> This is a perfect example why the FCC should change the
> rules back to ONE AM, ONE FM and ONE TV station per company
> per market.  Then, maybe just maybe we would start seeing
> (or should I say hearing) better radio than what we have
> today.
>
> There is NO reason why Cox, Clear Channel, Infinity, Radio
> One or anyone else needs more than one station per market.
>

I agree with you.  After all, how good does a station have to be when its competition is its own company?  I wouldn't mind 2 AM's and 2 FM's per market.

Everyone was asleep when this was being pushed through Congress in the 1990's.  And keep in mind it wasn't the FCC; it was the Telecommunications Act.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 12:08:09 PM »

> There is NO reason why Cox, Clear Channel, Infinity, Radio
> One or anyone else needs more than one station per market.

There is a reason: the companies are financially better off after consolidation.  After all, instead of three stations each having their own engineering and administration staff, a consolidated group could dispense with 2/3 of the people and have the remaining 1/3 perform the extra work.  Therefore the three stations are together more profitable.

Why have three ITGurus when you could make one do the work of the other two on a combined infrastructure?
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 12:56:16 PM »

> > There is NO reason why Cox, Clear Channel, Infinity, Radio
>
> > One or anyone else needs more than one station per market.
>
>
> There is a reason: the companies are financially better off
> after consolidation.  After all, instead of three stations
> each having their own engineering and administration staff,
> a consolidated group could dispense with 2/3 of the people
> and have the remaining 1/3 perform the extra work.
> Therefore the three stations are together more profitable.
>
> Why have three ITGurus when you could make one do the work
> of the other two on a combined infrastructure?
>

That's one reason I was suggesting Oldies (even RealOldies) for Non-Comms. The bottom line for commercial stations is the profit (Duh), and Oldies are becoming as popular (profit-wise) as AOR on non-comms in the 60s. You've got local live jocks (students); you've got creativity; you've got funding, etc. Is there a reason not to try it - at least with a program or time slot?

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Mr_Winston-Salem
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2005, 01:19:29 PM »

> I agree with you.  After all, how good does a station have
> to be when its competition is its own company?  I wouldn't
> mind 2 AM's and 2 FM's per market.
>
> Everyone was asleep when this was being pushed through
> Congress in the 1990's.  And keep in mind it wasn't the FCC;
> it was the Telecommunications Act.
>

I thought at the time it would bring more formats to the airwaves and bring more move-ins of wasted "All-Country" rural signals to larger markets. Few were trying new formats, because local or regional owners didn't want to take any chances. They wanted to take on the high dollar Country station. The result was a market of Country Clones. It seemed like everything was Country. In small towns, everything was Country and some larger Southern markets were under-served and could use some of those wasted signals in their markets for new formats. That would also open more positions in larger markets. If you had experience in Country it was a great time in Southern and Midwestern radio. A large national owner of 7 stations would not program all 7 as Country. The passing of that bill did bring more formats to Southern markets and more move-ins, but it also cut radio staff by 90%, sending most of us into other careers. Playlists were also cut 50% and national research into what (they think) listeners want, became the way to go. Radio was destroyed, but we do have a lot more variety to listen to. It's also fun to hear VT'ed talent mis-pronounce streets and broadcast live from events that were cancelled. (lol) Didn't Wild 96.7 do that once? I think the event wasn't until the next day, but they were broadcasting live from it. (lol)

I think a requirement to hire more staff and provide more hours of local programing would improve the current system we have in place. That is a very realistic idea that could work. A requirement for a set number of time in an hour for commericals would also improve radio, but isn't likely to happen. A ban on these national research companies and Arbitron would also improve radio and reduce age discrimination (of formats) on the radio, but that isn't likely to happen. Another idea is to have the FCC define and approve formats for radio stations. Then require each property to have a different format and only when all defined are taken can someone use a taken format in that market. That would bring AM radio back to life! I see them likely using their AM's to fill some of those unpopular formats, unless the defined can only be used on FM and have some, like talk, for AM and FM. Those of you who like Standards and Oldies would love this! It could also weaken the product if a station has a monopoly on a popular format in a market. This isn't likely to happen. It would be a mess for many years and getting the government to approve new formats could be a problem that takes a year or more.

I also miss Fox 97. I miss the days when Big John Weatherbee was at Fox. That man was born for Oldies Radio. The only way Oldies can return is on AM or a low power rimshot and the odds of 96.7, 97.5, 102.3 or 105.7 trying it are not very good right now. It could work at 99.3 and 107.1? Rick, what's the latest on that move-in? 107.1 would work great? If you live in North Atlanta, you always have Sunny 100 and Magic 102-9. I think 88.9 to the south is also Oldies. I heard them last month with Oldies and it sounded good.

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Re: 97 FOX
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 01:30:02 PM »

> That's one reason I was suggesting Oldies (even RealOldies)
> for Non-Comms. The bottom line for commercial stations is
> the profit (Duh), and Oldies are becoming as popular
> (profit-wise) as AOR on non-comms in the 60s. You've got
> local live jocks (students); you've got creativity; you've
> got funding, etc. Is there a reason not to try it - at least
> with a program or time slot?

The primary argument against it would be lack of interest from current students, who are either interested in indie rock, cultural programming, or niche experimental audio.

> Ssnake, where did you get the 60's WREK airchecks?

From a 14" quarter-track reel in WREK's basement; one reel holds four mono tracks * 180 minutes = 720 minutes.  There's some WPLO-FM on there too.

I periodically air these on my archival show, the Underground Recordings:  http://wrek.org/underground
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Mr_Winston-Salem
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2005, 01:35:49 PM »

> That's one reason I was suggesting Oldies (even RealOldies)
> for Non-Comms. The bottom line for commercial stations is
> the profit (Duh), and Oldies are becoming as popular
> (profit-wise) as AOR on non-comms in the 60s. You've got
> local live jocks (students); you've got creativity; you've
> got funding, etc. Is there a reason not to try it - at least
> with a program or time slot?

I've suggested Standards on College Radio for years. I also agree with you that Oldies is a great idea. We have two stations in the exurbs trying it now. WKEU 88.9 and WBCX 89.1. WBCX is only doing Standards during select nights though. WKEU is Oldies all the time.

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