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Author Topic: iBiquity & NPR "Strike a Deal" for 6dB Increase  (Read 561 times)
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 08:53:21 PM »

Assuming the FCC goes along,  the NPR stations will get more grants for IBOC updates.  So I believe these more powerful signals will start to transmit.  As more of the major IBOC "broadcast partners" start losing day to day control to their bankers, you wonder how much money they will have left to upgrade facilities.  It is too bad NPR "struck a deal".  I think it will be a waste of their time and money. Better to focus on refarming channels 5 & 6 as "digital" distribution channels.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 09:45:49 PM »

People I've spoken to who actually own HD equipped stations tell me that the transmitters they have might be able to handle a 3-4 db increase but not the currently proposed 6db increase.  They are hopeful that doubling the power will make HD more viable, but they are very cautious about saying it will "fix everything."  They also tell me they are not about to invest the money to do a 6 db power increase.  The general opinion I've heard is, "there is no return on the investment."
 
Imagine that....

Maybe there will be some real bargains on lightly used two-year-old transmitters, that don't have the guts to jump to the new power requirements.  Every cloud has a silver lining.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 09:53:45 PM »

I can tell you this; I am definitely going to reduce or eliminate my financial support for NPR. If they have money to waste on this stuff, they don't need my hard earned dollars. Money is the only thing that matters in this country, so you have to vote with your wallet.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 11:04:16 PM »

I can tell you this; I am definitely going to reduce or eliminate my financial support for NPR. If they have money to waste on this stuff, they don't need my hard earned dollars. Money is the only thing that matters in this country, so you have to vote with your wallet.

You don't financially support NPR, at least not directly.

You support a local radio station that, in most cases, is a member station of NPR, using a portion of your membership dollars to pay its annual dues in order to carry NPR programming. And before you decide to reduce your support for that local station, give them a call and talk to them about their relationship with NPR, and about how they fund projects such as HD radio.

It's pretty safe to say that not every NPR member station agrees with the compromise that was reached this week. Perhaps the highest-profile example is WRNI in Rhode Island, which has raised some pretty loud questions about the high-powered testing that was done by Greater Media and Ibiquity on WKLB in Boston, which is on 102.5, first-adjacent to WRNI-FM on 102.7, a class A signal that draws much of its audience from Providence, just outside its officially-protected contour, but nevertheless an area where it was fairly listenable...until WKLB powered up. One can reasonably assume that WRNI is not on the same page as NPR where the power increase is concerned.

Other NPR member stations are indeed eager to power up. I do some work for WXXI in Rochester (but speak here only for myself). As I've discussed here before, WXXI runs an all-classical format on a full class B FM, WXXI-FM 91.5, and programs news and talk (much of it from NPR) on a signal-challenged 5 kW DA-N AM signal, WXXI 1370. Over the AM station's 25-year history, there's been constant demand from members for a better news-talk signal in areas east and west of downtown Rochester where the AM is nulled after dark. Adding an AM simulcast on 91.5-HD2 has been one of several ways WXXI has tried to answer that problem - and there's now a significant listener base tuning in on the HD signal. (The most popular premium in WXXI's most recent pledge drive was the Insignia portable HD radio.)

"Money to waste on this stuff"? Compared to the 8 million dollars or so that it would cost to buy another full-coverage FM signal, were one to come on the market today, the addition of HD to the WXXI-FM signal has been a bargain - the costs involved have amounted to a new antenna, which was needed anyway to replace the original (1974-vintage) FM antenna, and a new digital transmitter. And because of the way the installation was designed (separate transmitters, separate transmission line, interleaved analog/digital antennas), a power increase will not be an expensive proposition, as it will be for the many stations using low-level combining.

It also bears noting that most of the public radio stations that have added HD have done so with the help of CPB grant money that was specifically designated for the digital conversion - so the money spent on HD would not have been available for other purposes if it hadn't been used for digital radio.

WXXI's experience is certainly not typical - but the interesting thing about the American public radio system, at least to me, is that there is no "typical" station. There are some that have no compelling reason to go digital, and others doing exciting things with their digital signals. (DC's WAMU, for instance, with its 24-hour bluegrass channel, Philly's WRTI, which uses its HD-2 to provide jazz when its main channel is classical by day and classical when its main channel is jazz at night, and Vermont Public Radio, which uses HD-2 to fill in gaps in its relatively new all-classical network, are a few that come to mind.)

Each station makes those decisions at the local level, which is why I'd urge you to at least talk to your local station about its funding and its views on HD radio before pulling your support.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2009, 08:09:47 AM »

Scott, I appreciate the fine job you do and the quality programming that comes from WXXI. However, the way I see it, many of the NPR affiliates are spending money wastefully on technology that listeners do not want or care about.

I currently support three NPR affiliates, to the tune of more than $500 a year. Our local classical station runs three beg-athons each year, which amounts to an entire month of continuous on-air fund raising! During each one, they seek to raise between $400K and $500K. They tell grandma that the station will go off the air and that listeners will lose their last remaining source of classical music. Meanwhile, I find out that they have spent a pile of money on a completely new transmitting plant so they can run HD. And after they completed this so-called upgrade, the audio quality of the analog signal has been significantly compromised, as least to my ears.

I am not going to support any station, NPR or otherwise, that spends my money on HD radio technology.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2009, 10:55:14 AM »

Scott, I appreciate the fine job you do and the quality programming that comes from WXXI. However, the way I see it, many of the NPR affiliates are spending money wastefully on technology that listeners do not want or care about.

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I am not going to support any station, NPR or otherwise, that spends my money on HD radio technology.

Without knowing your local situation, there's not much I can say about whatever your local stations might be doing. I would certainly urge you to give them a call and discuss your concerns with them. I suspect you'll find that they're not spending "your" money on HD - if they're at all typical (to the extent there is a "typical"), the costs of the HD installation are borne largely by CPB grant money that was specific to the digital conversion.

And if you're experiencing problems with your analog reception as a result of HD carriers, please let your local station know that as well. It's much more useful for them to know why you're upset than for your contribution to just go away without any explanation.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2009, 12:01:13 AM »

Scott Fybush said,
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And if you're experiencing problems with your analog reception as a result of HD carriers, please let your local [NPR] station know that as well.  It's much more useful for them to know why you're upset than for your contribution to just go away without any explanation.

I couldn’t agree more – so tell them why you’re upset.

Emphasize that IBOC signals interfere with the reception of first-adjacents (and second-adjacents, too, on AM),  and that self-interference, which already  plagues  AM IBOC stations, won’t remain a rarity on FM if the power increase is implemented.

And tell them that it doesn’t matter if all of the money for the digital power increase comes from a CPB grant earmarked for that purpose and not from the station’s regular budget, because that’s money that the CPB could be using for more constructive purposes – like programming grants!

Point out that they don’t need “HD” for multicasting.  They could spend about $12K for FMeXtra and get better coverage than they’d get with “HD” IBOC at -5 dBc!   And that’s less than the cost of a new IBOC-only transmitter for a station using separate antennas (and make no mistake:  even with interleaving, there’s always some difference between the analog and digital signal patterns with that Rube Goldberg approach!).

Finally, make it clear to station management that because the entire system so inimical to the interests not only of the station itself, but also to the interests of the audience -- and to the interests of the medium of radio as a whole -- you have no intention of supporting the station unless they publicly commit to, at the very least, not increasing their digital power.  And if there’s a co-owned public television station, tell them you won’t be supporting that, either.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2009, 05:28:19 PM »

The NPR affiliate that I work for hasn't wasted their money on 'HD'.  We're quite happy we used our resources to buy much-needed studio equipment.  There are several of us out there that didn't jump on the bandwagon. The ROI for us just wasn't there. In many ways though we are pretty careful about spending our listeners money.  We work hard to live within our fundraising means.  As far as the begging is concerned, we have been doing two day drives (noisy) with a couple weeks of promos leading up to it asking for the listeners' help in reaching our goal.  It's worked out pretty good for us.  This last time was a bit slower in getting to the goal, but we did get there.  I hope our audience appriciates that we try to think things out and not waste their money.  Although CPB and PTFP will give public stations money for upgrades, they do require some of the station's money to do it in matches.  So the idea that it's just totally free money from the Feds isn't 100 percent correct.  It costs the listeners, therefore we held off...
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 12:06:24 AM »

Too bad the listeners can't be educated about how some of the hard earned money they donate is used to promote and push a mode of radio that is a huge waste of time and goes indirectly into a snake oil salesman's pocket.
I was never a year to year supporter of my local NPR stations but the big one in Boston that broadcasts in IBOC won't get another penny of my money until it cuts the cord to it's jammer.
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HD radio? 250.00??!! My 20 year old boombox sounds and receives better than that, you know the one with the paint drips on it and clothes hanger antenna that the painters threw into the dumpster?
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