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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #150 on: August 18, 2010, 02:36:40 PM »

Disney takes two AM-HDs silent in preparation for selling them....

YAYYYYY!  More HD Radio success stories!!!   Cheesy Cool

A net positive for those of us who wish to see an end to AM HD, but a net negative to radio in general because Disney is said to be selling these properties where they find internet streaming to be sufficient.  In other words, nevermind AM HD, more young ears are being lost to the internet. Sad

Sounds like The Mickey Mouse Outfit is finally getting sick of paying the electric bills, property taxes, and maintenance costs for transmitters that have few if any listeners - maybe some in mommy's SUV going to and from school, but that's about it.  HD has nothing to do with it; it's just that kids don't know, and care even less, what an AM radio is.

But if they ever put their 50 kW hash generators in New York, LA, and Phoenix up for sale, you know Radio Disney will be finished as an over-the-air broadcast service.  They don't seem to be even trying to move the stations to FM.
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #151 on: August 18, 2010, 02:58:51 PM »

Audioguy: the only thing more wasteful than HD on a low-power AM signal is:

HD on a HIGH-power AM signal.   Wink
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #152 on: August 18, 2010, 10:44:01 PM »

You've got to wonder what they're thinking over at Mickey Mouse Radio.  Running all these 50 kW jammers to which hardly anyone listens.  OK, in New York, WQEW cracks a big 0.1 share 6+, but others like WFDF in Detroit have never shown in the PPM's.  The national network probably has the same listening as a good medium market rock, country, or talk station.  Maybe it's all a secret homing device; beware the giant alien mice from outer space!!!   
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« Reply #153 on: August 19, 2010, 01:28:20 AM »

 Why, oh why don't they just get rid of AM HD altogether?  Nobody is promoting it, few radios can receive it, and it makes the analog sound like crap.  Absolute stupidity. 

Or, do what the brighter nations to the north and south of us have done and continue to do, which is to eliminate the majority of AMs and restrict the remaining ones to the larger cities that may need and can support niche programming.

Canada has transitioned more than half its AMs to FM, and Mexico is attempting to move nearly all stations... in some states, not a single AM will remain.

In Latin America, nearly all audience has moved to FM and the number of AMs is thinning... and since Disney has been mentioned in this thread, there is not a single Radio Disney in any of those countries on AM.
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« Reply #154 on: August 19, 2010, 08:22:21 AM »

 Why, oh why don't they just get rid of AM HD altogether?  Nobody is promoting it, few radios can receive it, and it makes the analog sound like crap.  Absolute stupidity. 

Or, do what the brighter nations to the north and south of us have done and continue to do, which is to eliminate the majority of AMs and restrict the remaining ones to the larger cities that may need and can support niche programming.

Canada has transitioned more than half its AMs to FM, and Mexico is attempting to move nearly all stations... in some states, not a single AM will remain.

In Latin America, nearly all audience has moved to FM and the number of AMs is thinning... and since Disney has been mentioned in this thread, there is not a single Radio Disney in any of those countries on AM.
How was the listenership in Mexico and Canada, compared to AM listenership in The US, when
they started to migrate most of the stations to FM. Was it comparable to US listenership, or lower?

The problem I see is, that the FM dial, like the AM dial suffers from overcrowding. Where would we
move all the stations too? Wouldn't there be a lot of stations, particularly smaller stations or groups
that would be left out?

I'm not saying your idea is not worth talking about, but, even if this were to happen, it would take
some time.

If HD AM was turned off today, it would be one problem that would be solved now.

When you mention Radio Disney, within the last couple of years, ABC tore down the towers,
and rebuilt them on WRDZ AM 1300, La Grange/Chicago, Il. 

They then added the HD, my nephew and niece, like to listen when there in my car.
I let them, and the AM never bothered me, since the HD however, it's really grinding
to listen too. I still let them listen, but, there are times I just want to say no, because
the HD sounds so bad. Like I said, the music on AM didn't bother me, the HD however
is so irritating. I often times wonder how many other people with kids in the car, aren't
as patient as me, and simply won't turn it on.   
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #155 on: August 19, 2010, 08:42:51 AM »

WRT Radio Disney, maybe it's time to revisit letter writing to complain about the crappy audio quality and digital hiss. It couldn't hurt! Be sure not to use any industry insider terms like "HD Radio", or (especially) IBOC. Describe what you hear and why it sounds bad. If they got enough letters, maybe they would turn it off.

CBS will not. I've written, and they don't care. They are married to IBOC. They are the biggest spectrum polluter on AM.
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #156 on: August 19, 2010, 08:57:05 AM »

CBS now stands for the Continuous Bu*****t System.
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #157 on: August 19, 2010, 11:35:38 AM »

The money The Mouse spent on Detroit O/O WFDF was astounding.  They moved a daytimer in Flint into suburban Detroit and put up a 50kw 8-tower DA-2, all broadbanded and built for HD.  The station has about 60 feet of dual (day/night) Kintronics phasors.  I understand the phasor alone was over a million bucks.
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« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2010, 10:10:39 AM »

How was the listenership in Mexico and Canada, compared to AM listenership in The US, when
they started to migrate most of the stations to FM. Was it comparable to US listenership, or lower?
   

Canada is hard to judge, as they have always allowed fewer station in relation to population than the US, and there was considerable AM listening... much of it to the fine CBC services... that they just pushed over to FM.

In Mexico, there was a realization that AM was not to be viable in the future, and already most of the last viable AM formats had moved to FM including talk, so shares were comparable to the US... maybe 15% of all listening and less than 10% of the under-50 listening was to AM.

Your point about the band being fuller in the US is valid... there is no place to migrate AMs to, so future change will be economic based; stations will move viable formats to an FM they acquire or they will do paid programming and eventually disappear over a longer period of time.
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #159 on: August 20, 2010, 08:28:02 PM »

I happen to agree with Tom and audioguy--CBS is one of the worst broadcasting company mostly due to the HD/IBOC c**p.
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