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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #380 on: December 22, 2010, 08:45:23 AM »

Yep - IIRC the high-water mark for HD-AM was 292.

"High-water mark."  Like a really nasty, toxic ring around your bathtub.

How well I recall jousting here ca. fall-winter 2007-2008 about how HD-AM would never crack 300 stations with the likes of Radioman100, clouseau, RF Burns, et al.  HD-AM is indisputably circling the drain faster and faster....and the pop-count of stations is heading towards 200 instead of exceeding 300.  (Out of 4700 AM stations.)

Where are the HD Storm Troopers who taunted us with the countdowns to 24-hour AM-HD back in September 2007??  Hope they're not going for jobs with iBiquity.  From what I read before long they're gonna be running their operation out of a Sears utility shed with an orange extension cord running across the sidewalk to a nearby building.

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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #381 on: December 23, 2010, 10:54:49 AM »

Whoa, Santa Baby!  The HD-AM total is down four stations since YESTERDAY.  Barry's new AM-HD tote-board shows: 235.

When this thread started early this year the count was 260.

MERRY Christmas to all, and to all....a GOOD NIGHT!!! 

(And on a somewhat related note - it appears Radiosophy is outta business.  The website has been taken down and the company's phones have been disconnected.)
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #382 on: December 24, 2010, 04:45:08 PM »

The money The Mouse spent on Detroit O/O WFDF was astounding.  They moved a daytimer in Flint ...

WFDF was not a daytimer. It has been on 860 (FRC days), 1310 and then 910 since the 30's. On 910 it was always 1 kw directional at night, and they went to 5 kw days in the 50's. It was the first station in Flint, as well.

WFDF was affected by the cyclical nature of the economy and automobile industry.  The previous 3 tower facility was supposed to go on to 880 kHz from 1310 but ended up on 910 on March 29, 1941.  It was apparently built for 880 kHz, along with a lot of other DAs at the time that were designed for their old frequency.  It would appear that at some point after 1941 they could easily have been 5 kW day and night and went to 5 kW day in 1957.  There was a tornado that brought down the towers and they went from self supporting towers to guyed towers at that time also.  There was a house or two on property just south of the transmitter property that was apparently subdivided at some point, precluding the easy construction of a fourth tower which would most likely have been required for 5 kW night.  I wish I had known all that when I was young or I would have pushed them to do it.  If they had, they probably could have more easily been 50 kW night instead of 25 kW.  It also might have made the facility more viable in later years.  It also has a relitively low NIF, 5.0 mV/m at the old site, and 5.8 mV/m at the new site.

They were on several other freqeuncies, David, and I think the 860 was mainly before the 1926 frequency reorganization.  My father played as a live musical performer on WFDF at night in the late 1920s and 1930s, so I know that it was on at night then.  I never saw anything that indicated it was ever daytime only.
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Re: AM HD TURNOFF PACE ACCELERATES
« Reply #383 on: December 24, 2010, 10:27:04 PM »

It's such a shame that the once mighty and relevant WFDF is now a 50 kW mouse repeater that almost nobody listens to -- and I'm not exaggerating.  It has never broken a 0.1 share in the Detroit PPM's -- and remember the PPM's are 6+.  I would guess that more people are annoyed by WFDF's IBOC sidebands while trying to listen to stations on 890, 900, 920, and 930 than actually hear the mouse repeater on 910.   
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« Reply #384 on: December 24, 2010, 11:14:08 PM »

It's such a shame that the once mighty and relevant WFDF is now a 50 kW mouse repeater that almost nobody listens to -- and I'm not exaggerating.  It has never broken a 0.1 share in the Detroit PPM's -- and remember the PPM's are 6+.  I would guess that more people are annoyed by WFDF's IBOC sidebands while trying to listen to stations on 890, 900, 920, and 930 than actually hear the mouse repeater on 910.   

Another fact is that even after the format was changed to Radio Disney while WFDF remained in Flint, it still showed up in the ratings as I recall with a 0.7 share.  The managers did some clever things to promote it locally and make it sound more local.  Of course, you have quite a number of FM stations in Detroit that play a lot of the same music, and I suspect that draws listeners away.
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« Reply #385 on: December 25, 2010, 12:16:49 AM »

It's such a shame that the once mighty and relevant WFDF is now a 50 kW mouse repeater that almost nobody listens to -- and I'm not exaggerating.  It has never broken a 0.1 share in the Detroit PPM's -- and remember the PPM's are 6+.  I would guess that more people are annoyed by WFDF's IBOC sidebands while trying to listen to stations on 890, 900, 920, and 930 than actually hear the mouse repeater on 910.   

One of my favorite formats (unappreciated by many) was when CJ Jones was programming "The Giant 91" and "The Giant 1130" and also 1240 in Lansing back from 1970 to 1972, local oscillator.  Didn't take much to realize that "Robert R. Morgan" at The Giant 1130 was Bob Burchett at The Giant 91! The Giant 91 and Giant 1130 are now both IBOC.  I do give Clear Channel some credit though for realizing that they were interfering with themselves with IBOC at night on WRVA and vice versa and turning it off at night. 

I was on the leading edge of anticipating the WJR/WABC night IBOC de-BOC-le even before the fulltime "experiment" when I noticed interference even during critical hours.
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« Reply #386 on: December 25, 2010, 11:14:08 AM »

I was on the leading edge of anticipating the WJR/WABC night IBOC de-BOC-le even before the fulltime "experiment" when I noticed interference even during critical hours.

The WJR/WABC IBOC nighttime interference was something to behold, wasn't it!?!  At the time, I thought that if Citadel were let it go on for much longer, they would be certifiably nuts!  Citadel has done some less than bright things along the way, but I have to give them credit for shutting off their IBOC jammers.
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« Reply #387 on: December 25, 2010, 10:32:41 PM »



(And on a somewhat related note - it appears Radiosophy is outta business.  The website has been taken down and the company's phones have been disconnected.)

That's kind of sad...the HD100 was never much of a radio, but there were some good folks who worked there.  As much as I loathe the HD-Radio mess and all who spawned it, the loss of a radio company leaves us all poorer.
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« Reply #388 on: December 27, 2010, 10:36:32 AM »

WTAG noisemaker on 580 Worcester, MA is back on.
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« Reply #389 on: December 27, 2010, 06:33:28 PM »

Why do some of these station's IBOC go off for a few days and then come back on?
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