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Author Topic: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13  (Read 9799 times)
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2010, 09:39:52 AM »


If they do change to "CD102.5" at some point, maybe they are waiting until after the Andyman-a-thon.  I can see where they'd want to hang onto "CD101" for that reason.

Speaking of the Andyman-a-thon, here is a post on it and photograph of Andy at his Andyman-a-thon :

http://www.donewaiting.com/2010/12/15/andyman-a-thon-starts-friday/

Here is the current ad 'CD101 at 102.5' is running in the weekly paper for the Andyman-a-thon. Note, there is still a reference to '101' on the add:

http://raelovzyou.tumblr.com/post/2345477383/the-18th-annual-andyman-a-thon-kicks-off-today
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2010, 11:47:32 AM »

gabigley, they have indeed now applied for WWCD for the 102.5 frequency - they being, of course, 102.5's licensee, Southeastern Ohio Broadcasting System (WHIZ Media Group):

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A request for WWCD dated 12/16/2010 has been filed
by SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC..
Our records contain the following address(es) for above requester(s):
REQUESTED CALL SIGN   WWCD
LICENSEE/PERMITTEE   SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC.
MAILING ADDRESS   629 DOWNARD ROAD
CONTINUED ADDRESS   
CITY   ZANESVILLE   STATE   OH   ZIP   43701-

Go here:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/callsign/main.html

Click the "QUERY" button and put "WWCD" in, and it'll tell the story.

As noted several times, the FCC's online database could not yet reflect reality.  They could have gotten authorization to use WWCD already, but it's not online yet.  I doubt the FCC is going to care if they're using the calls a couple of days early.

Given that the calls are now available, and this has been filed as a request, no the FCC probably WON'T care barring the request being denied. If it's denied (which I highly doubt will occur), then yes, the FCC will likely levy some sort of punishment on WHIZ Media. Again, I highly doubt the FCC will deny it, in fact as noted it may already be approved and that could be online today (Friday). But I expect no later than January 3, 102.5 will LEGALLY be WWCD.

This is what an Qualified FCC Counseling Engineer has to say about this:

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"It is not legal, unless they are still doing the "legal ID" with the licensed call letters.  It takes about 7 business days to get a change through."

Not sure how the FCC would view this situation but it certainly isn't right because they are not using their licensed call letters during their "legal ID". I've never heard of a radio station using
call letters that weren't legally assigned to them by the FCC during their "legal ID".
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2010, 12:11:09 PM »


It looks like WWCD 102.5 doesn't want to let go of "101" if they can help it because they are afraid of annihilating their established listener base
from the last twenty years or so. CD'101' also seems to be inseparable from WWCD and it's established listener base. No wonder WWCD dose not
want to give it up.


CD101 also rolls off the tongue better and lends itself to nicer graphics than CD102.5.  Still, I can't see it making much sense for them to hold onto that moniker much longer, even if OSU gives them a pass to do so.

Here are some photos from today's CD101@102.5 Andyman-A-Thon. Note, they have yet to let
use of the giant 101 banner:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150363719065161&set=a.10150363719025161.589606.119863140160#!/photo.php?fbid=10150363719065161&set=a.10150363719025161.589606.119863140160&pid=16143847&id=119863140160

Andrea Cambern, news anchor on WBNS TV, had this to say last night after a Andyman-A-Thon news video report:

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"To listen to the Andyman-A-Thon, tune your radios to 102.5, the new CD101."

She listens to the station and want her viewers to know where to catch the the new CD101.
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2010, 06:32:37 PM »

If they don't change from "CD101" after the Andyman-a-thon, I will ask them directly. I posted a message on their Facebook page, but haven't gotten an answer, and I suspect they are quite busy right now (good for them!!!).

It's that news anchor's message that is their problem.  "CD101 @ 102.5 FM" is unwieldy, no matter their long attachment.  They are no longer on 101.1, and new listeners have to take the extra step to forget the old location AND remember the new location.

I don't run the place, though. Smiley

As for the legality of the WWCD legal ID on 102.5, they could well be throwing in a quick "WCVZ Baltimore" elsewhere, and that can be their legal ID, no?   And the FCC would have no problem with the "extra" currently-not-on-the-license WWCD Baltimore, particularly since they are in the process of changing to it.
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »

gabigley, they have indeed now applied for WWCD for the 102.5 frequency - they being, of course, 102.5's licensee, Southeastern Ohio Broadcasting System (WHIZ Media Group):

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A request for WWCD dated 12/16/2010 has been filed
by SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC..
Our records contain the following address(es) for above requester(s):
REQUESTED CALL SIGN   WWCD
LICENSEE/PERMITTEE   SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC.
MAILING ADDRESS   629 DOWNARD ROAD
CONTINUED ADDRESS   
CITY   ZANESVILLE   STATE   OH   ZIP   43701-

Go here:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/callsign/main.html

Click the "QUERY" button and put "WWCD" in, and it'll tell the story.

As noted several times, the FCC's online database could not yet reflect reality.  They could have gotten authorization to use WWCD already, but it's not online yet.  I doubt the FCC is going to care if they're using the calls a couple of days early.

Given that the calls are now available, and this has been filed as a request, no the FCC probably WON'T care barring the request being denied. If it's denied (which I highly doubt will occur), then yes, the FCC will likely levy some sort of punishment on WHIZ Media. Again, I highly doubt the FCC will deny it, in fact as noted it may already be approved and that could be online today (Friday). But I expect no later than January 3, 102.5 will LEGALLY be WWCD.

This is what an Qualified FCC Counseling Engineer has to say about this:

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"It is not legal, unless they are still doing the "legal ID" with the licensed call letters.  It takes about 7 business days to get a change through."

Not sure how the FCC would view this situation but it certainly isn't right because they are not using their licensed call letters during their "legal ID". I've never heard of a radio station using
call letters that weren't legally assigned to them by the FCC during their "legal ID".


No, it's not legal, you're right. BUT, given the request being filed, I don't see how the FCC will levy a punishment... unless, as I stated before, the request is actually flat denied. Which probably won't happen.
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2010, 10:35:48 PM »

gabigley, they have indeed now applied for WWCD for the 102.5 frequency - they being, of course, 102.5's licensee, Southeastern Ohio Broadcasting System (WHIZ Media Group):

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A request for WWCD dated 12/16/2010 has been filed
by SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC..
Our records contain the following address(es) for above requester(s):
REQUESTED CALL SIGN   WWCD
LICENSEE/PERMITTEE   SOUTHEASTERN OHIO BROADCASTING SYSTEM, INC.
MAILING ADDRESS   629 DOWNARD ROAD
CONTINUED ADDRESS   
CITY   ZANESVILLE   STATE   OH   ZIP   43701-

Go here:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/callsign/main.html

Click the "QUERY" button and put "WWCD" in, and it'll tell the story.

As noted several times, the FCC's online database could not yet reflect reality.  They could have gotten authorization to use WWCD already, but it's not online yet.  I doubt the FCC is going to care if they're using the calls a couple of days early.

Given that the calls are now available, and this has been filed as a request, no the FCC probably WON'T care barring the request being denied. If it's denied (which I highly doubt will occur), then yes, the FCC will likely levy some sort of punishment on WHIZ Media. Again, I highly doubt the FCC will deny it, in fact as noted it may already be approved and that could be online today (Friday). But I expect no later than January 3, 102.5 will LEGALLY be WWCD.

This is what an Qualified FCC Counseling Engineer has to say about this:

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"It is not legal, unless they are still doing the "legal ID" with the licensed call letters.  It takes about 7 business days to get a change through."

Not sure how the FCC would view this situation but it certainly isn't right because they are not using their licensed call letters during their "legal ID". I've never heard of a radio station using
call letters that weren't legally assigned to them by the FCC during their "legal ID".


No, it's not legal, you're right. BUT, given the request being filed, I don't see how the FCC will levy a punishment... unless, as I stated before, the request is actually flat denied. Which probably won't happen.

Does anyone know if such a refusal has happened in those circumstances?

I still stand by my assertion that this a BIG TIME FAIL. Anyone with an inkling of common sense knows this is NOT how you handle a frequency change one bit. From their website, to promos, to this botched call sign change (I would argue that Mr. Vaughn should be fined and not WHIZ - I'm pretty sure that WHIZ would not use an unofficial callsign for weeks... or months...), WWCD has done everything the wrong way. Period.

If they get legal action taken against them by tOSU by their ignoring of a clear stipulation in the sale agreement to rid themselves of "101" and "101.1", I'm sorry, but I won't be shedding any tears over that. As the old saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Mr. Vaughn had months to look at the sale agreement and go, "Hmm... 'CD101' has to go! How about that?"
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2010, 10:52:00 PM »

For all we know, Mr. Vaughan has an official letter from the FCC in his hands saying WHIZ Media Group (and as a result, he, as LMA operator) can call 102.5 WWCD until it shows up in the database...which, as I frequently remind folks, often lags behind reality.

We can't check right now, anyway.  The entire FCC website is down, with just a temporary note that "scheduled building maintenance" will take down the various online databases until Monday, except for a couple of emergency databases which are being maintained at a different site.

And as a result, stuff that was due Friday will be accepted Monday:

http://www.fcc.gov/DOC-303692A1.pdf

As for the "101" thing, maybe they have a separate, new agreement with tOSU to keep using "CD101 @ 102.5 FM" that supercedes the notice in the sale agreement.  As I've also said repeatedly in this thread, maybe WOSU relented because there is almost no overlap between the two formats.  (OK, maybe there are two or three people in all of Columbus who listen to both alt-rock and classical...)
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #77 on: December 19, 2010, 06:03:31 PM »

Is it just me or does anyone else think that CD101 @ 102.5 is insulting the intelligence of their listening audience by not calling themselves CD102.5?



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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2010, 07:26:10 PM »

Is it just me or does anyone else think that CD101 @ 102.5 is insulting the intelligence of their listening audience by not calling themselves CD102.5?

They should have started calling themselves "CD102.5" back in September. I can understand attachment to a long-time branding, but this borders on somewhere between ridiculous and scary. I have never heard of a station keeping an obsolete brand after a frequency switch before, let alone something as absurd as this (and bear in mind the near-comical Cleveland format/frequency swap of 2001 affected many long-time and historic brandings, but the stations involved manned up and changed them).

"CD102.5" or "CD102" - heck, even "CD102 1/2!" - would all work. It's as if the station is run by rank amateurs now.
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Re: CD101 to go exclusive on 102.5 FM on Monday Dec. 13
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2010, 09:21:47 PM »

It appears WWCD is making a run at topping the absurdity of WLZT 93.3's limp and pointless me-too AC format.  But that's gonna be a tough one given 93.3's 5++ year head start.  CD10-whatever's already clinched runner-up, though, and in record time.  Apparently they really covet that booby-prize.

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