FM Double-hop Es

[cd637299]

Ditto on the 88.9...wowzers!

I have DXed FM/TV for well over 30 years, but never ever had a double hop---ID'd anyway.

Last year I caught a Canadian TV station on ch 2 from my home in south Florida....there was a commercial for an optical chain, and locations in Winnipeg were shown on screen.  However, as the chain is national, I cannot log it for sure as CKND2 in Minnedosa.  (This would sure be double hop.)  Global Winnipeg e-mailed me but would not confirm, and the optical place never wrote me back.  So I am still on the hunt.

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[Lawppy]

The most distant FM station I logged is KNNK 100.5 in Dimmit, TX, at 1420 miles in northern VA, however, it may be just be single-hop Es.

Best way to know for sure is to check your logs from that day if you have them. If you were hearing other Texas stations during this same opening, chances are you had very long single-hop Es. If you were getting stations from the 500-700 mile range and then this 1400 mile station fell into your lap, it was probably 2x Es.

Farthest logged: a translator on 88.9 (K205CW/KJIL) from Follett, TX (226w at 1367 mi!!), and KATP 101.9 Amarillo, TX caught 7/13/09 at 1360 miles.

I logged a translator (93.5 K228EE) from Elkhart, KS vis Es in 2009. The distance was 957 miles. What would be REALLY awesome would be a translator via double-hop!

[Schroedingers Cat]

Back around 1968, I sent a report to CBHT Halifax, NS and they sent a letter back but refused to verify my reception.  I didn't have a lot of money to be spending on letters (I had even sent them International Reply Coupons), so it was at that point that I just taped and logged my DX, and stopped sending for QSL cards.  I have a handful of QSLs, but after that problem with the CBC, I just said that was enough.  I know what I saw and heard, and that's enough. Nice job, CBHT and CBC.  You see it's been over thirty years and I haven't forgotten your lack of encouragement of my hobby. I still have your letter.

[BobOnTheJob]

I'm not one to hand out too much praise but a light bulb power translator (226w) at that distance?  Not double hop but a remarkable catch Crain.  Happy Easter to everyone one the board!

Radio Bill who occasionally posts on RI logged a 10 watt high school station from South Dakota in Cincinnati around 1970 on Es. And I logged a 10 watt college station from near Cleveland in Cincinnati at about 240 air miles, but that was tropo. Back then, 10 watt stations were common but the FM dial was far less packed with stations and many of those stations went off the air at 11PM or midnight. It was a great time to be a DXer...

[gar fla]

Now that I think of it, wasn't it somebody on this board who got a double hop FM Es in Oregon from Washington DC?

I also remember listening to the audio too.

I'm almost certain it was this board but I could be mistaken.

[cd637299]

Now that I think of it, wasn't it somebody on this board who got a double hop FM Es in Oregon from Washington DC?

I also remember listening to the audio too.

I'm almost certain it was this board but I could be mistaken.

Mighta been....here's a link to another 2Es FM series of catches:

http://www.wtfda.info/showthread.php?4668-6-29-2010-Rare-2x-from-Nevada-and-Utah-into-Pennsylvania

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[StveGreenPA]

I'm not following some of this.     Forgive the rustiness;  plus,   I've only FM and TV DXed infrequently.   I've never looked or monitored all that much,   merely encountering such tropo and E-skip times through random listening.

1062 miles (FM) would be what,  then?    Standard one-skip DX?

What would 1212 miles (TV) be?

Am a bit confused with the ranges.   Can someone list a general range for tropo,   E-skip and 2X E-skip?

(I also used the 'How Far Is It' site for distances.     They have a provision for the latitude and longitude,   but I entered only the cities)

[gar fla]

1062 miles is typical for E skip.

1212 miles is also one hop E skip.

Up to 1500 miles can still be one hop, however that gets tough to confirm if it's one hop or possibly two because single hops can be as low as 500 miles but that's as rare as 1500 miles.

Over 1500 miles should be double hop.


Tropo can be over 2000 miles but typical tropo is mostly less than 1000 miles with the usual being 200 to 500 miles or so.

I've gotten tropo catches at 600 miles and 930 miles across the Gulf.

[TheRob]

Living in Kansas, double hop e-skip is largely impossible, since we can, in theory, log each coast on a single hop. I suppose I would have to hope for a double hop into the Caribbean or Central America, or far northern Canada.

I think the double-hop guy in Washington, D.C. is named David. If I'm thinking of the same person, he logged KAKE (channel 10) from Wichita, in D.C., in an unusually intense and high MUF e-skip event a few years ago.

[gar fla]

I finally found the Oregon - Washington DC E skip.

It was from another forum.

Great catch, Dave!!

http://www.wtfda.info/showthread.php?682-WKYS-and-CKPC-Double-Hops&highlight=double