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TIO: LFM List
« on: July 16, 2011, 12:25:17 AM »

Thanks for your caring thoughts for those who have lost their jobs, some after 30+ years of service, Mr. Gleason.
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 01:53:31 AM »

Thanks for your caring thoughts for those who have lost their jobs, some after 30+ years of service, Mr. Gleason.

And we thank you for trying, as the saying goes, to cover up the sun with your hand.

The reality is that the economy has affected nearly every sector, and we can't expect companies to sustain the level of expenses that they once did.

If you read Inside Radio and Taylor on Radio-Info you know that I went through the same thing, along with the two entire national departments I supervised, including people who had worked with me for, in some cases, nearly 20 years. But I can't blame anything except the economy and the repositioning of radio in a new media environment. So your snide and sarcastic remark is so totally inappropriate that I don't even have words to describe my disgust...

Maybe if more people in radio were realistic about the future of the industry instead of lamenting the loss of "old time radio" things would be different. But, no, that's certainly not something you seem to want to do.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 08:25:33 AM »

Thanks for your caring thoughts for those who have lost their jobs, some after 30+ years of service, Mr. Gleason.

 So your snide and sarcastic remark is so totally inappropriate that I don't even have words to describe my disgust...


And right back atcha.  I know what the current state of broadcast is you idiot.  My "snide and sarcastic" remark was in sympathy and condolence to those now on the street, not a self agrandizing pontification like you present with every single post you make.
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 01:26:33 PM »

Thanks for your caring thoughts for those who have lost their jobs, some after 30+ years of service, Mr. Gleason.

 So your snide and sarcastic remark is so totally inappropriate that I don't even have words to describe my disgust...


And right back atcha.  I know what the current state of broadcast is you idiot. 

No you don't.

You hurled brickbats at Lincoln, even though that company has been one of the very few that has resisted adjusting costs until there was no other alternative.

Instead, you should be concerned about the bigger picture of true 11% to 12% unemployment, across almost all sectors of the economy. I can't think of a person I've met in the last year who does not have a family member out of work.

Lincoln in SD has the added burden of a station that was doing very well that dropped dead in the middle of the recession when San Diego converted to PPM and showed that Smooth Jazz was catatonic in any of the sales demos. So Lincoln suffered as we all did due to the recession. But they additionally saw the virtual sales destruction of a big money maker.

As a nation, we were used to living in the 50's, 60's and 70's and hearing about cyclical hirings and layoffs in the auto industry. It seemed to be normal, and nobody blamed the auto company for the cyclical nature of their business. Yet when a business cycle has the same affect on radio as a whole and Lincoln specifically, you blame the company and not the underlying causes.
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 04:22:46 PM »

Arrogant and patronizing Gleason.
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 05:39:04 PM »

Arrogant and patronizing Gleason.

You still don't seem to understand that the cuts were determined by the state of the economy, a near-40% decline in market radio revenues in San Diego, the collapse nationally of Smooth Jazz in the PPM and the intrusion of new media into the area that was once radio's alone.

Lincoln can't be blamed for this. If anything, they held on longer than any other of the large and medium operators, for which they should be recognized.

I'd guess that now Lincoln realizes that there is no economic recovery, and that radio will be a laggard in any event, and they decided that they have to stop the losses. What's often forgotten here is that "saving the enterprise" is good for the employees that remain and are still employed.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 02:51:29 PM »

You have no clue as to what I do or don't understand Gleason.  For you to pontificate that you know more about the LF San Diego cluster than I do is pure arrogance.  I have followed closely what has happened to my former cluster over the past five years and know way more about it than you do.  You also self rightiously assume I don't understand the business and long for the days of yesteryear.  What an idiot you are.  My comment of what LF has done to what JP left them with was more in reference to the past few years than to the past few days.  You get on here and blowhard your way through your own personal bullshit like you know everything and no one else possesses your magnificence. 

Once again, try to offer a little concern for the 15 people now on the street and stop self agrandizing what you've done in your career.  We don't care what you've done.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2011, 07:07:58 PM »

You have no clue as to what I do or don't understand Gleason.  For you to pontificate that you know more about the LF San Diego cluster than I do is pure arrogance.  I have followed closely what has happened to my former cluster over the past five years and know way more about it than you do.  You also self rightiously assume I don't understand the business and long for the days of yesteryear.  What an idiot you are.  My comment of what LF has done to what JP left them with was more in reference to the past few years than to the past few days.  You get on here and blowhard your way through your own personal bullshit like you know everything and no one else possesses your magnificence. 

Once again, try to offer a little concern for the 15 people now on the street and stop self agrandizing what you've done in your career.  We don't care what you've done.

Again: LF held out without major reductions much longer than the vast majority of groups. Of course, it could be rationalized that they were seeking a buyer for a non-core business and did not want to disrupt the business model but when it was obvious that neither prices nor the economy were recovering, they did what was necessary to adapt to a new reality.

I don't know anyone in radio who does not have great empathy for everyone who was let go across the business. It's a situation for concern on many levels, beginning with the personal level of the lives that have  been disrupted and extending to the effect this will have on the future of the industry and the jobs of everyone who may still be employed.

But you continue to write things that indicate that you think something different has happened at LF. There is nothing really different... except that they waited longer than most to adjust to reality.

Look at the top 50 markets. Name a surviving smooth jazz station. A few managed to transition to some kind of AC. Most changed format, some with success, some with bad results. LF stuck with SJ, and we can debate whether they should have changed earlier... but the fact is that the PPM killled the format, not LF.

And, again, the economy and radio's issues have reduced market billings in San Diego by over a third. That means less money for sellers, support staff, talent, and everyone else. The economy is not LF's fault, either... and it's hard for anyone who fell victim to the shrinking of the radio revenue pool... but you just can't blame LF for any of that.

You keep circling back to the 15 people let go this month. The same thing has happened at every level in radio, so saying that this is about a failure to empathize with the most recent group of people who were laid off really means that it is you who does not feel for the thousands let go across the industry... perhaps 15,000 to 20,000 persons in the last 5 years.

On the personal level, I never said "I know more about the LF cluster" so that statement is untrue. What I do know is that the PPM killed Smooth Jazz everywhere, SD market billings are off over a third, and radio everywhere is changing due to the economy and new media. When JP sold, radio was at its peak; just as a $400 million station in LA sold for $130 recently, the value of stations, based on billing and revenue potential, has declined.

I don't think LF could have done anything significantly different that would have changed the reality that forced your friends and former coworkers to be let go.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 06:48:20 AM »

You do love to blab on don't you Gleason.
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