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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #270 on: February 15, 2012, 01:21:22 PM »

Put 94.5/94.7 as NJ-94, and move PST (again) to 101.5.

In Ocean County, I don't get 94.5, 94.7 isn't great and 101.5 isn't city grade.  New Jersey 94 would severely lack coverage in Ocean County. Smiley

Townsquare already owns 94.3 The Point, and WIBG 94.3 can be bought for cheap. 94.7 up north, 94.5 central Jersey, 94.3 down the shore, this is New Jersey 94!

And I just imagined a jingle for 101.5 PST
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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #271 on: February 15, 2012, 02:17:40 PM »

Put 94.5/94.7 as NJ-94, and move PST (again) to 101.5.

In Ocean County, I don't get 94.5, 94.7 isn't great and 101.5 isn't city grade.  New Jersey 94 would severely lack coverage in Ocean County. Smiley
You don't pick up 94.5 where you are because of WJLK.

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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #272 on: February 15, 2012, 03:35:22 PM »

Put 94.5/94.7 as NJ-94, and move PST (again) to 101.5.

In Ocean County, I don't get 94.5, 94.7 isn't great and 101.5 isn't city grade.  New Jersey 94 would severely lack coverage in Ocean County. Smiley
You don't pick up 94.5 where you are because of WJLK.

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Correct!  To add to it, I'm on 'JLK's fringe.  Go south of 82 on the GSP and it fades quickly.  I doubt Townsquare is going to move NJ 101.5 anywhere, nor do I think they'll be a contender for 94.7.

That said, what major commercial operator would be interested in 94.7 if it can't be moved to a Manhattan location. Smiley 
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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #273 on: February 15, 2012, 04:24:45 PM »

Put 94.5/94.7 as NJ-94, and move PST (again) to 101.5.

In Ocean County, I don't get 94.5, 94.7 isn't great and 101.5 isn't city grade.  New Jersey 94 would severely lack coverage in Ocean County. Smiley
You don't pick up 94.5 where you are because of WJLK.

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Correct!  To add to it, I'm on 'JLK's fringe.  Go south of 82 on the GSP and it fades quickly.
WJLK had four different signals in the 80's.
The AM and FM started 1980 on top at Bangs Ave.
They tried to move the AM first and upgrade from 1kw days/250w nights to 2.5kw days and 1kw nights. When proofs wouldn't come out right on the new pattern they found they were off by four feet with one of the antennas at the new location in Tinton Falls. OOps!Then they moved the FM to one of the new towers at the 300 foot level. 1984, came with a 28 foot height increase due to the FCC change to 100 meters from 300 feet.
In 1985, Press saw what the increase in signal that was achieved up the street with 107.1 in downtown Long Branch when they built a new higher antenna, 450ft., and said, "I want that, too."
So, in 1988, Press took 94.3 to 450 ft, as well. The difference was an immediate improvement. Not only with 94.3, but also with 94.1 and 94.5. As they raised the height, of course, came a
reduction in power. Bob McAllan, still not happy with that, petitioned the FCC to raise the Class A's to 6kw. Not a secret, why? He could get 3kw back.

Instead, sold 94.3 and bought 101.5 soon afterward. They had the cash after flipping Channel 65 to do all of this.
...must be nice.

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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #274 on: February 15, 2012, 05:57:37 PM »

WJLK had four different signals in the 80's.
The AM and FM started 1980 on top at Bangs Ave.
They tried to move the AM first and upgrade from 1kw days/250w nights to 2.5kw days and 1kw nights. When proofs wouldn't come out right on the new pattern they found they were off by four feet with one of the antennas at the new location in Tinton Falls. OOps!Then they moved the FM to one of the new towers at the 300 foot level. 1984, came with a 28 foot height increase due to the FCC change to 100 meters from 300 feet.
In 1985, Press saw what the increase in signal that was achieved up the street with 107.1 in downtown Long Branch when they built a new higher antenna, 450ft., and said, "I want that, too."
So, in 1988, Press took 94.3 to 450 ft, as well. The difference was an immediate improvement. Not only with 94.3, but also with 94.1 and 94.5. As they raised the height, of course, came a
reduction in power. Bob McAllan, still not happy with that, petitioned the FCC to raise the Class A's to 6kw. Not a secret, why? He could get 3kw back.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

And now with WIBG operating on 94.3 with 6,000 watts from Upper Township, WIP-FM from Philly blasting IBOC "HD Radio" and 94.5 WPST from Trenton with 50,000 watts there are many parts of Ocean County where WJLK-FM is totally unlistenable.  Funny how things work out sometimes, isn't it?

Along Rt. 72 in Barnegat, Stafford and Ship Bottom 94.3 is essentially a 50/50 mix of WJLK and WIBG while 94.5 WPST is crystal clear.  Along Rt. 539 from Barnegat to New Egypt 94.3 is nothing but IBOC noise from WIP-FM more than 75% of the time, once again WPST is crystal clear.

Back to the topic of 94.7, it is a total non-factor in Ocean County.

Currently 94.7 WFME is...
56 miles from the population center of Toms River  (population 91,000)
51 miles from the population center of Brick  (population 75,000)
75 miles from the population center of Stafford  (population 26,000)
82 miles from the population center of Little Egg Harbor (population 20,000)

Moving to the Empire State Building will make it one to two miles closer at best and it will still be a non-factor.
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« Reply #275 on: February 15, 2012, 07:02:46 PM »

Let's not forget that when it comes to advertising efficiency, many North Jersey advertisers who want to reach their local customers with radio will probably have to pay to reach listeners on Long Island, or in NYC who would never buy their product.

Radio is not appropriate for smaller local retailers in as dense a metro as NY is. They use local cable, various web options, etc. Even if you think of the Jersey only coverage, nobody is going to drive from the north end of the useful signal to the south end for a single shoe store or even a car or a sofa.

The advertisers that can afford radio are going to be the brands sold everywhere and the multi location retail outlets, not the pizza place at one location.

Radio is not bought by state or region, it is bought by market. There is no NE NJ market for ad buys. There is a New York MSA market.

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At the same time, suburban New Jersey listeners do have a lot of lifestyle, news and political interests in common North and South, and a simulcast of Jersey centric programming could appeal to a lot of them.

But advertisers big enough to buy across a state are agency accounts, and they buy individual markets. There is no advertiser demand for a Jersey station per se.... there is a demand for Philly market coverage, for NYC market coverage, and, to a much lesser extent for Trenton coverage, Atlantic City coverage and even, a little, for the embedded market coverage.

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Thanks to the PPM system, each local transmitter can be easily rated on its own, and like any other network, it would be easy to offer advertisers local spots, or offer statewide full network ad coverage.

That could be done in the diary, too. Arbitron even has procedures for stations with overlapping coverage.

But... where is the need? Didn't 101.5 simulcast in Atlantic City, only to abandon that effort when the sales advantage was not there? Or am I thinking of another station...

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New Jersey now has almost nine-million people, that is a big, and in some areas a very attractive and wealthy, market all by itself and it really doesn't have efficient statewide electronic media, other than the internet, which can be zip code targeted.

Other than Puerto Rico, which is a single market that requires multiple signals to cover, I can't think of any other US state or Commonwealth that has statewide coverage other than some now-declining state networks. Does Florida have statewide coverage? Or Maine? Or California?

In fact, thinking of California, the majority of the big AM and FM stations in LA have impressive numbers in the Riverside market... but they can't make any extra money off that because advertisers don't combine the two radio markets and won't pay extra for that coverage.

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The FCC allocators saw the economic and social need when they assigned FM frequencies to North Jersey, but the economic and social realities of the bigger New York market next door have lured those potential New Jersey centric services away.

Allocations were made a long time ago, with engineering being the principal factor and then population. Economic need was hardly a factor, and "social" need was only a consideration in trying to insure local service. But in a big metro, "local" means "market" and not every political jurisdiction needs a voice or has one, nor is there much interest in such information as opposed to the focus of, let's say, WINS or WCBS.
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Re: Family Stations Will Sell 94.7FM WFME Newark
« Reply #276 on: February 15, 2012, 07:05:36 PM »


Currently 94.7 WFME is...
56 miles from the population center of Toms River  (population 91,000)
51 miles from the population center of Brick  (population 75,000)
75 miles from the population center of Stafford  (population 26,000)
82 miles from the population center of Little Egg Harbor (population 20,000)

Moving to the Empire State Building will make it one to two miles closer at best and it will still be a non-factor.

Moving Z-100 from West Orange to Empire, allowed WJRZ to move their tower from Manahawkin to Forked River, approx. 9 miles north. I can only assume the mileages for towns would be 9 miles more than the figures you present.

The exact 50 mile mark from Empire is on Route 35 where the split is through Mantoloking. To get there, the signal travels through Brooklyn and jumps over Eastpoint in the Atlantic Highlands.

Now you know why that 1400 ft of Empire's antenna is so important.

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But... where is the need? Didn't 101.5 simulcast in Atlantic City, only to abandon that effort when the sales advantage was not there? Or am I thinking of another station...
You may be thinking of the 97.7 South Jersey signal for retransmission of 101.5.
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Other than Puerto Rico, which is a single market that requires multiple signals to cover, I can't think of any other US state or Commonwealth that has statewide coverage other than some now-declining state networks. Does Florida have statewide coverage? Or Maine? Or California?
There are still stations, here in Florida with monster signals, some just increased to even stronger, but there is no network of signals looking to blanket the state as has been suggested. There was a TIS at 1680 with a network of stations, but it is gone, now.

The name "WFLA" is used in Tallahassee, Orlando, and Tampa, but those are individual stations, targeting their respective markets.

Heck, you're lucky if a Tampa station even cares about anybody South of Tampa Bay, anymore.

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« Reply #278 on: February 16, 2012, 01:38:27 AM »

Other than Puerto Rico, which is a single market that requires multiple signals to cover, I can't think of any other US state or Commonwealth that has statewide coverage other than some now-declining state networks. Does Florida have statewide coverage? Or Maine? Or California?
The name "WFLA" is used in Tallahassee, Orlando, and Tampa, but those are individual stations, targeting their respective markets.

WFLA also has an outpost in Panama City.  Don't the stations all carry the same syndicated programming, only breaking for local commercials?

The only statewide commercial network I'm aware of is Supertalk Mississippi, which is a half dozen or so FM stations and one part time AM on the coast.  The individual stations have unique commercials and a few breakaway programs that are unique to that one station, but otherwise Jackson local talent and syndicated programming are the same.

Of course there are many statewide networks of public radio stations.  Mississippi again has one of the most comprehensive, all running HD and having big coverage areas.  I think they may also break away individual repeaters occasionally for specialty programs local to each unique region.  Alabama has APR but it only covers about half the state; another quarter is served by Troy State Public Radio from three affiliates.

I think if New Jersey has no state identity because of Philly and NYC's influences, it's because no one's tried to really forge that identity in talk/news radio.  But there seems to be a good reason no one's done that, thanks to Philly and NYC again.
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« Reply #279 on: February 16, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »

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Radio is not appropriate for smaller local retailers in as dense a metro as NY is. They use local cable, various web options, etc. Even if you think of the Jersey only coverage, nobody is going to drive from the north end of the useful signal to the south end for a single shoe store or even a car or a sofa.

Agreed, but we are not taking about small local shops.  There are plenty of large businesses in New Jersey that buy advertising and don't do a dimes worth of business in New York City or Philadelphia.  Among them are banks, utilities, and some chain retailers.  There are a number of large drive-in convenience store chains that have no place in urban areas, but a lot of outlets scattered throughout the suburban areas of NJ.  They do advertise in local NJ radio markets where the can, but in areas where they can't reach the target audience efficiently with radio they channel their available dollars into local print and outdoor media instead.  A NJ oriented station could pick up a lot of the ad dollars in those now inefficient geographical areas.

And then there are also NJ businesses that bite the bullet and pay to reach mostly listeners in NYC and Long Island who will never be their customers, but hope it is still worth paying NYC radio stations for the fraction of their audience in the advertisers business area, among them are the NJ car dealers who buy spots on NYC radio.

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But advertisers big enough to buy across a state are agency accounts, and they buy individual markets. There is no advertiser demand for a Jersey station per se.... there is a demand for Philly market coverage, for NYC market coverage, and, to a much lesser extent for Trenton coverage, Atlantic City coverage and even, a little, for the embedded market coverage.

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Radio is not bought by state or region, it is bought by market. There is no NE NJ market for ad buys. There is a New York MSA market.

Hopefully, ad agencies are sophisticated enough to understand market segmentation, and just as ad buys are made by age, or ethnicity, with computers it is just as easy to make buys based on "geographical" area within a market.  A station that tries to do this may have to do the number crunching and selling of the concept but it is certainly doable.  It would just be the same kind of market differentiation now done in print and on the Internet.  Ad agencies making big print buys certainly have known forever the reasons for wanting to place ads in the "Newark Star Ledger," as opposed to the New York Daily News. Or in "New Jersey Monthly" magazine as opposed to New York Magazine.  They could be convinced to make radio buys based on the same kinds of reasons.

While there currently is no NE New Jersey market for radio ad buys, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be.  Segmenting a market by political geography is no different from segmenting a market by ethnic or age group or any other category.

Over the years local radio stations have convinced Arbitron to provide data for local radio markets within the larger NYC market.  Morristown, Monmouth-Ocean, Union-Middlesex-Somerset and Sussex are examples.  The same could be done for NE New Jersey.

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That could be done in the diary, too. Arbitron even has procedures for stations with overlapping coverage.

Although it could be done with diaries, PPM offers more certainty, less chance of confusion, and takes pressure off the broadcaster trying to make sure listeners get their diary entries correct.  It's just a more workable system now than it has been in the past.

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But... where is the need? Didn't 101.5 simulcast in Atlantic City, only to abandon that effort when the sales advantage was not there?

Yes, and NJ-101.5 did draw a South Jersey audience with that relay, but I don't think they bothered to network and sell the spots separately based on location.  Just like North Jersey car dealers not wanting to pay for listeners on Long Island, they really don't want to pay to reach listeners in Atlantic City either.

As far as "the need" goes, from a listener perspective more news and information coverage targeted at New Jersey would certainly be attractive.  You have to remember that NJ has no over-the-air commercial TV news coverage specifically targeted at the state, and in its mostly densely populated areas it doesn't have any specifically targeted radio coverage either.  That makes it a unique situation in this country and therefore it offers opportunities for a unique fix.  Maine, or California, nor any other state, don't need the same kind of fix because they have plenty of big in-state media to provide state and local news coverage.  For whatever reason NJ was assigned radio and TV frequencies to provide that state and local coverage, but they have almost all moved across the rivers.

The need from an advertising perspective is for better potential customer targeting, more efficiency and less waste of ad dollars spent.

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. But in a big metro, "local" means "market" and not every political jurisdiction needs a voice or has one, nor is there much interest in such information as opposed to the focus of, let's say, WINS or WCBS.
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You have to remember that WINS trends to targeting NYC listeners, and WCBS trends to targeting listeners in the suburbs.

As far as "political need" goes, citizens need to be fully informed about what is going on in their state or locality, unfortunately on New York or Philly media New Jersey news usually comes in second place or worse.  That has been a citizen complaint in this market for decades. 

New Jersey also has many demographic, ethnic and economic differences from NYC. 

Subway riders buy far fewer new cars than suburbanites, apartment dwellers buy no swimming pools, but suburban homeowners do. 

Some 40% of NYC residents were born in another country, but only 20% of New Jersey residents were.

Some 33% of New York City's population is described by the census as "non-Hispanic White" while in New Jersey that same description fits almost 60% and is much closer to the national average.

Only 33% of NYC residents own their own homes, while 66% of NJ residents do.

The median income in NYC is $50,000 and in NJ it is $70,000. 

And the list could go on and on.

These kinds of differences are, and should be, of great importance to marketers and advertising buyers and they should have at least as much impact on the media buyers media choices as ethnicity or age group. 

A station specifically targeted and delivering New Jersey residents could deliver potential customers with more average dollars to spend, and who are more likely to buy specific products, as well as provide efficiency to those advertisers who don't do business outside the state.




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