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Author Topic: Can The AM Band Be Saved?  (Read 7810 times)
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2012, 03:19:30 PM »

There's a point that COULD be handled at the FCC level.

If someone there knew anything about that sort of thing.
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2012, 03:29:55 PM »

Isn't there also some form of pre-emphasis curve included in the NRSC specs?

FM has pre-emphasis. The AM standard is basically a wall at 10 kHz to avoid heterodynes with adjacent channels.

Stations, according to preference and format, may do the equivalent of parametric equalization on any frequency band they want via settings on their audio processor. The more common practice is to roll the frequencies above 5 kHz off a bit... or a lot... because most radios handle stuff over 5 kHz pretty badly. The NRSC committee findings on the subject indicated that the average consumer radio did not handle anything over 6 kHz too well, and mentioned that anything over 7 kHz might as well not be transmitted.

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Not every $20 radio will do all this stuff, of course, but offering some better-quality receivers at a moderately higher price, to the folks who want better quality, might help.

Nobody buys "radios" any more. They buy devices with radios, and no manufacturer is going to spend a penny more per unit to improve reception on a band that they perceive has so little interest that the improvement will do nothing for sales.
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2012, 06:40:02 PM »

Just a few months ago, I bought a radio... nothing but a radio... because I wanted an AM/FM radio.
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2012, 07:14:55 PM »

Just a few months ago, I bought a radio... nothing but a radio... because I wanted an AM/FM radio.

Hoo-ray!  I'll alert the media.  Do you give interviews? 
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« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2012, 08:33:19 PM »

Just a few months ago, I bought a radio... nothing but a radio... because I wanted an AM/FM radio.

I will also... as soon as I can find one that I would have in my house.  Every time I look for one,  all I find is Buck Rogers Tinker Toys meets Barbie Doll in style.

If it is true that ONLY "old farts" listen to AM radio,  how come they don't display something I would allow in my house?

And how come they don't make one that works if you live beyond the city limits?  (I learned this bit of humor[?] in Eastern Kentucky coal country a few years ago:  "I live so far out in the country....  I have to walk back toward town to hunt."

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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #75 on: February 06, 2012, 09:46:05 PM »

Have to grab a Superradio or something that's more designed for distance (DX)listening.
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2012, 03:24:19 AM »

It's been awhile but I thought that when the FCC instituted the 10KHZ cutoff, it included a pre-emphasis circuit for standard radios, with the understanding that a de-emphasis circuit would be included in new better quality radios.  I don't believe the receivers were ever developed. 
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2012, 06:35:17 AM »

I see, this morning, where Utah is wanting to ban use of phones by teen drivers.
I hope their cars will still have plain old radios in them, so we don't lose them as listeners. Grin
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2012, 10:21:22 AM »

Actually, the NRSC curve is about a +10db boost starting flat at 1 Khz and running up to 9.6 Khz.  I think you have to be down something like 40 db by 10Khz.  So there's a minor boost in highs, the idea being that it would help make it sound a little brighter on typical, rolled-off radios.

As far as better quality radios: HA!  Back in the 80s when AM stereo came out, I called around looking for one.  I had sales people telling me an AM/FM stereo radio was AM stereo.

It took me months to find a store that had the GE Superradio III, and it was a K-Mart of all places, not a major electronics store, and they didn't realize they had it, and had to dig it out of the back of a shelf.

People are stunned when I send them the YouTube video of the AM stereo Japanese station; I'm not, because I heard a Carver TX-11a receiver once and swore if there were AM/FM simulcasts, I'd never go back to FM again.  (Turns out that has more to do with the 75us pre-emphesis and hard limiting on FM, but that's another post...)

The receivers WERE there.  The technology WAS out there.  By the time it came along, people were already mostly using AM for sports, news, traffic and weather, and saw no need.

I tried to convert as many as possible, but it was an up-hill battle... made worse by a lack of quality contemporary music programming on the AM band to demonstrate its capabilities.

AND THAT WAS NEARLY THIRTY YEARS AGO.

Today?  Fogedaboudit.

If I could wave a magic wand, I would have the FCC shut off digital, require 7.5 Khz frequency response & noise blanking in all radios, boost all AM stations under 50k to some higher power, start cracking down HARD on AM noise manufacturers, and mount a huge, expensive consumer education campaign.  At the same time, I'd bring in AM station owners from around the country to discuss the technical improvements we were going to make to the listeners' experience, and encourage them to look again at musical programming holes in the market.

I don't see ANY of that happening.  Even if it did, I think the AM owners would laugh me out of D.C.

I suppose if I could lobby the FCC for ONE thing, I'd push for the 7.5 Khz / noise blanking.  That would do more to improve the listener experience than anything else.

If I had an AM stick...  it would depend on where I was.  If I was out in the middle of nowhere, I might be able to get away with AC / CHR / country if there were no local competing FMs and I had lots of community involvement.

In most cities above, oh, 25,000 residents, I think the only option is to find a secondary niche an FM won't or isn't filling.

The question I can't answer is whether a station targeted at a secondary group can generate enough income to pay the bills...  although in the Tulsa, Oklahoma area (and many others I suspect) that's what's been happening..  in fact, right now we have FIVE Spanish-language AM stations on the air...  and we'd have a sixth, save a dispute with a landlord.  We have one, 6kw FM.

Years ago I heard an OKC station go EZ Listening / Beautiful Music.  I thought it sounded awful, but I was young, the station was distant, and the processing could have been set "wrong."

Although it's an older target, I wonder if either Beautiful Music or Smooth Jazz could find a profitable home on AM, since they seem to be dying on the FM vine as the audience ages?  This could be automated (pardon the pun) for a song, you'd only need maybe two employees and a sales staff, tops...
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Re: Can The AM Band Be Saved?
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »


But if you can come up with some way to loosen the directional patterns that stations like WIND have, you might have a shot at keeping things alive.

Is that under the purview of the NAB Board of Directors?  I doubt it.  So having them meet on this subject is a waste.

Now say the FCC had such a meeting.  (And pigs flew)  But obviously the FCC doesn't care whether AM radio as we knew it comes back.  The band is still the band, regardless of how it's used.  So they still have jobs.

I a decade or so the AM band will probably another ham radio band.
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