Is Seattle just not a radio market?

[bobdavcav]

Some stations in the midwest are consistantly pulling 8 and 9 shares, and what's the top biller in Seattle pull? a 5 or 6? WLTE flipped when having a 3.1 share aren't there many stations in this market that are below that?

[Bongwater]

Some stations in the midwest are consistantly pulling 8 and 9 shares, and what's the top biller in Seattle pull? a 5 or 6? WLTE flipped when having a 3.1 share aren't there many stations in this market that are below that?

They're smaller in market size compared to Seattle. Fewer stations overall mean higher numbers.

The bar is also lower here because seriously, there is nowhere else for many of these stations to go. For example, KPTK and KIXI. Both are low rated AMs, but they serve very loyal niches which considering the station of AM radio overall is doing pretty damn good. So there's no need to change them. And even if you wanted, what to? There's too many sports, right wing talk and religious stations already.....

[scott salvatori]

  . So there's no need to change them. And even if you wanted, what to? There's too many sports, right wing talk and religious stations already.....

patriot/liberty/alt health talk:  peter schiff, jeff rense, webster tarpley, joyce riley, katherine albrecht, officer jack mclamb, jesse lee peterson, and alex jones, just to name a few.  just adding alex jones as the headliner would put any little AM station on the map.  most of these talk hosts are on the front line of knowledge, politics, and forward conservative libertarian thinking.  unlike the dumb downed corporate media  circus republican enternewsment hack acts, such as hannity, rush, and even beck.   

[Bongwater]

  . So there's no need to change them. And even if you wanted, what to? There's too many sports, right wing talk and religious stations already.....

patriot/liberty/alt health talk:  peter schiff, jeff rense, webster tarpley, joyce riley, katherine albrecht, officer jack mclamb, jesse lee peterson, and alex jones, just to name a few.  just adding alex jones as the headliner would put any little AM station on the map.  most of these talk hosts are on the front line of knowledge, politics, and forward conservative libertarian thinking.  unlike the dumb downed corporate media  circus republican enternewsment hack acts, such as hannity, rush, and even beck.  

"Liberty Talk": Alex Jones - I've listened to this guy's show and I wonder how he actually SLEEPS! Big scary black helicopters of the "New World Order" ready to pluck him like a set of dropped keys off the ground? These Big scary black helicopters of the "New World Order" were there when CLINTON was president. Now they're back with OBAMA? COINCIDENCE? And tell me, when has living in constant FEAR because of what somebody said on the radio became "liberty"?

"Alternative Health Talk": Listen to KKNW 1150 AM

"Patriot Talk": Who is to define "patriot"?

I voted for Obama.

I work pretty much 12 hours a day. Often without much to compensate in return.

Do I know Jesus? Yes I do. Never met Him personally, but He was a SMART guy. A lot better than that Old Testament guy.......

Do I love America? Yes I do. But it's time we had a SERIOUS talk....

[scott salvatori]

"serious talk"  hmmm, i like that positioning statment.  mr bongwater your a genius, despite your obama vote record.  oh well, not much of an alternative. 
is that little oak harbor AM daytimer still available?   dang, the pajambis got it.

[RealityBites]

I actually did a little research on this. The thread topic that is. Seattle was a launch point in several ways for radio folks.
If you came from a small market in the late 70's, Seattle was a perfect place to make your bones and then go to a major market like LA, SF, etc.
However by the late 80's so many of the radio people that came here, ended up liking it here and staying here. So we have a lot of
radio folks in this town. And yes we have way more radio stations than other cities with our population.

Seattle is a huge radio town.

[bobdavcav]

What about Cincinnati? I was just remembering someone over on that board pointing out that WKRQ pulled a 7.3 and from what I understand it wasn't even number 1 and KJR-FM's 7.7 was number 1? Wonder what WBEB's 16 shares sound like? I was hearing KJR-FM everywhere, what does twice that sound like?

[radioguy123]

Take a look at Atlanta and Seattle.  Atlanta is a bigger market, but has half the signals.   Terrain, movins over the past couple of decades like 106.9, 97.3, 104.5, 104.9, 99.9, 98.9, 103.7, 102.9, 97.7 and the list goes on have created a glut of signals and depressed shares.

I would also agree with reality bites that the competition is fairly strong.  3 CHR's split share (KBKS, KUBE, KQMV), 3 AC stations (KRWM, KLCK, KPLZ), 5 Classic Rock/Classic Hits (KJR, KJAQ, KZOK, now KMTT and The Brew)  Two Countries, multiple news and talk.   The only arena where one station exists is Current and Active ROCK  (KISW) As a result KISW is number one 25-54.   One would assume they will have the next competitor.

The END is the only real alternative station, but a series of bad programming choices has hurt it a great deal, same for KMTT when it was AAA.  These two formats are also most hurt by internet radio, pandora and other music choices.

[bobdavcav]

Wow, I thought Portland had a lot of move-ins! They've only had 3 and I counted 7 on the list you just put up for Atlanta. Wait, they have a 99.9? Must be a very weak signal due to WWWQ at 99.7. You also left off 100.5. If that list was supposed to represent Seattle, the only one I'd call a move-in is 104.5 and possibly 97.7, but they're still a rimshot, as is 102.9, which moved north several years ago. I thought The Brew was modern-leaning activer rock? Where's the line between rhythmic CHR and pop CHR these days? Seems as if it has gotten really blurred over the last couple years.

[AQH]

It might not suit the taste of many here on the board, but yes, Seattle is a radio market.

Even if you compared markets with the exact same number of people, it's still not a fair comparison.   For example, let's hypothetically say that New York and Seattle have the same population.  And let's focus in on the All-News format for the sake of this discussion.  Usage of an All-News station is going to be dramatically different in New York simply from the traffic component.   Both New York and Seattle have miserable traffic, but the commute times and how often and frequently people would use the All-News stations for traffic would be dramatically different.

That's number one of about a million components to use to "compare" markets.

Good question, very hard to answer in a precise way.