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Author Topic: KMGL, trafic and commercials  (Read 2105 times)
bobdavcav
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Re: KMGL, trafic and commercials
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 10:02:03 PM »

I'm confused. So producers will create two spots, one for the air and one for the web that are the same commercial? In that case, why does it matter?
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 02:32:00 PM »

I'm confused. So producers will create two spots, one for the air and one for the web that are the same commercial? In that case, why does it matter?

It matters because AFTRA wants to make sure its talent is paid.  The union doesn't want its talent cutting web spots for free.  As I've said before, I don't think it's the best way to handle the situation, but it's the solution AFTRA has chosen.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2012, 03:11:56 PM »

Exactly Kent.  They, like RIAA, are just unreasonable. I'm all about people getting paid for what they did, but it's the burden on stations trying to just stream I don't like.  Like most things, the "good people" always get inconvenienced by the minority of those that are trying to get something for nothing etc.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 12:50:00 AM »

I remember back in August 2011 when KMGL starts adding "smooth jazz" songs to their internet-only commercials, it was really annoying. I'd rather hear ad-council ads or internet-only all the way through. They keep on gradually adding smooth jazz songs until where most of the commercial breaks are taken up by one 2-4 min smooth jazz song and many times the whole commercial break is taken up by two smooth jazz songs without any ad-council ads or internet only commercials at all.

When KMGL, KOMA, and KRXO had their only streaming back on again back in May 2011, KMGL had that problem where the internet-only commercial break is misaligned by 30 secs after the normal airtime which causes the internet-only commercials to start and end 30 secs late which causes the internet-only commercials to start 30 secs after the commercial break started which lead the first 30 secs of the over-the-air commercials to leak into the first 30 secs of the commercial break on the online streams. At the end of the commercial break the internet-only commercials continued into the first 30 secs of the song, overlapping the first 30 secs of the song. It also causes song data to display 30 secs after the song had started playing if you noticed it. They fixed this problem a few weeks later. Later around July they had this problem again that lasted about a week and a half then got it fixed when the only streaming player went offline and back on later. They never had this problem at all throughout the fall except it came back again about the week before the flipped to Christmas, but got it fixed in 4-5 days. They never had this problem throughout Christmas. After Christmas, actually, about a week after Christmas, this problem came back and it's worse than ever, it's misaligned by 90 secs which means you'll hear 90 secs of local over-the-air commercials at the beginning of the commercial break while have the first 90 secs (half) of the song cut off due to the internet only commercials overlapping it. This time it causes song data to display 90 secs after the song had started playing. The problem goes on for weeks and months this time which they never had last year back when they had their online streaming back on again. I believe it's just a system error they're having that causes the internet-only commercial to delay. It's kool to hear local commercials sometimes, but we're not suppose to hear local commercials on the online streaming, they should fix this since they aren't suppose to have any local over-the-air commercials leaked into their online streaming, but the very annoying part is that it cuts of the first 90 secs of the song. The internet-only commercials are suppose to cover all the local over-the-air commercials, not leaving any space.

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Considering the last few Arbitron ratings, I'd say that KMGL must be doing something right for their OTA listeners.  Understandably, the cut-off can be annoying, but the OTA is pretty flawless.
Well, the cut-off NEVER took place at all throughout the fall except for the one that occurred the last week before flip to Christmas which only lasted 4-5 days before it got fixed and their numbers were really high in the fall ratings. It occurred twice in the summer lasting a few weeks before it got fixed and I don't think it's the case that got their numbers a little low, I think it took people time till the fall to recognize KMGL playlist update back in the first week of May 2011.

Btw, good thing that KMGL isn't playing much smooth jazz during internet-only commercials over the past few months though. They were very, very heavy on smooth jazz during internet-only commercials last fall of 2011 and it really annoys me, I'd rather hear ad-council ads all the way through. They never played smooth jazz at all during internet-only commercials throughout the end of spring of 2011 and throughout the summer of 2011, but start introducing smooth jazz into internet-only commercial break starting the last week of August 2011.

The worst thing that when they had the problem (mentioned above) where the internet-only commercial delayed 30 secs back in Thanksgiving which lead the smooth jazz songs to cut off the first 30 secs of a song after the commercial break, very, very annoying, but they fixed that problem in about 4-5 days, phew!
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2012, 02:34:11 PM »

Andrew, I've noticed pretty much what you've noticed, although I don't listen every day and only started around August of last year. I don't mind the smooth jazz, but the cutoff is really annoying. They actually do have some local spots in the internet comercials, which I do like.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2012, 11:17:11 PM »

They actually do have some local spots in the internet comercials, which I do like.
Me too, I like the local ads too, I actually liked the whole commercial break on their online streams to be local ads, cause the internet-only commercials is boring. It's same thing over and over again, usually. It's mainly/mostly Ad-Council ads. The reason why they don't let us hear local ads on their online streams is because of the AFTRA thingy, they can't play their local over-the-air ads on their online streams, so they had to cover it with Ad-Council ads and some of the national ads like GEICO, State Farm, etc. which isn't too bad at all.

KMGL also cover their local ads with 2-3 minutes Smooth Jazz songs (starting August last year) which I really dislike though. I think Lincoln Financial Media's AC WLYF/Miami used to play Jazzy songs during commercials along with national ads to cover their local ads on their online streams. Now, they play lyrics-less tunes that doesn't sound like Jazz. They also gotten really creative and play new songs like Lady Gaga's "You And I", David Guetta feat. Taio Cruz's "Without You", Bruno Mars' "It Will Rain", The Script's "Nothing", Christina Perry's "A Thousand Miles", etc. at certain periods during the commercial break on their online streams only and ask their listeners opinions about it before they add these new songs to their regular over-the-air playlist. They also do the same thing for the older songs from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s with Creed's "With Arms Wide Open", Christopher Cross' "Ride Like The Wind", Seals & Crofts' "Summer Breeze", Gloria Estefan's "Can't Stay Away From You", etc. during commercials on their online streams only. I thought KMGL should do the same thing too, but it would cost them money though. I wonder, if it cost them money to add those smooth jazz songs then it would cost them the same amount of money to add different tunes.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2012, 08:29:09 PM »

There are a number of reasons why the break away and rejoin from internet only commercials can get out of sync.

First a brief over view of the system. Incoming program audio without profanity delay from the studio workstation/automation goes into the input of the stream machine. Spots that are covered are designated by category i.e. "com" etc. The trigger for the internet spots comes from the main playout automation via TCP/IP or RS232. When a spot is fired on the control room automation/work station, the stream adinjector in the stream computer will fire a cover ad. Hence the audio to the stream computer input has to be real time.

To make the process seamless :60s have to be :60, not :59 or :61 but :60. Same with all other commercial content. If you wish to cover a :90 then a :90 should be in the cover spot bin. The adinjector module in the stream machine is located after the input but before the output in the stream computer.

To keep the levels consistent from studio audio to cover audio, processing is done before the composite audio is sent to the encoder module for streaming. Some stations use the Orban 1100 card or dual sound cards with external processing.

The adinjector works as a FIFO buffer, first in/first out and looks at the play time of the covered spot and duration of the stop set and fills accordingly. It is a pain in neck to make it good, but with proper quality control on spots length you can have a system that will be seamless.

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