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Author Topic: Bugs in the gap  (Read 3575 times)
BobOnTheJob
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 09:15:46 AM »

other than wasps in the feedhorn.
And I'm here to testify that they get very displeased when disturbed. Drive to dish, crack the window, spray the 25' wasp killer, roll up the window and pray.
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 04:06:15 PM »

This bug thing is WFIN Findlay.  I looked and Dennis Rund retired a year ago. WOW.
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 03:35:23 PM »

Do knats even in clouds cause the arcover to take place? Does a single arc keep the transmitter off?  I didn't see a response from the poster but after the post my reference to Dennis Rund may be old as Dennis retired from WFIN last year. Their AM stations are WFIN Findlay Ohio and WCSI Columbus Indiana.  I can't say that in Indiana I have ever had a bug problem, other than wasps in the feedhorn.

Yes I am actually the person that was lucky enough to take the job when Dennis retired.  He is a great engineer and even better person.

I know they are bugs because I see the bodies left behind with tiny legs left clinging to the ball gap.  If a large enough bug comes along it will stick in the gap and get thouroughly toasted and the transmitter will fault and only come on in low power.  Since my initial post I have spread liquid bug spray around the tower and on the base then added Sevin dust bug killer that is usually used on vegetble gardens.  That combination seems to work rather well and has survived several rain showers.
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 05:01:49 PM »

     I had to look up your location, then had to google Dennis and found him the Findlay publishing site.  Good picture too. Congrats.  I have a lot of background with the company being there in High School and beyond. One favorite story is from an old engineer who complained of a certain manager "If XXXX was on fire and I had a bucket of water I wouldn't cross the street to put him/her out."

      I think the gap is too close then. I have seen gaps up to several inches apart.  I have never set one in almost 40 years doing this so as with a spark plug, what is the  standard? I have a nice looking picture here http://www.smeter.net/klo/antennas.php

     Obviously the picture was at a time the owner knew someone would be taking a picture because I never see them like this. In my years of griping that people keep their sites clean I have one local TV site that makes me envious. WTHR 13 Indianapolis.  used to live near there.  Their site land looks better than a finely manicured golf course.
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 01:36:27 PM »

An old engineer once told me to gap my lightning balls about "1 credit card width per kilowatt in the tower."  Been doing that for a few years now, so this 68 year old engineer will pass that on to you.  Not to scientific but it's a good ball park and I've had extremey few lightning failures in the last 45+ years.  None I could directly attribute to the tower, usually from the power lines.
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Bill Croghan CPBE WBØKSW
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 03:51:29 PM »

An old engineer once told me to gap my lightning balls about "1 credit card width per kilowatt in the tower."  Been doing that for a few years now, so this 68 year old engineer will pass that on to you.  Not to scientific but it's a good ball park and I've had extremey few lightning failures in the last 45+ years.  None I could directly attribute to the tower, usually from the power lines.

Credit Card width or thickness?

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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 11:03:49 AM »

Thicknes, and I don't think it's all that critical.  Looking at several cards, thereis a slight difference in thickness, but doubt it's enough to matter.  Bottom line, I've done it that way for a lot of years and not had problems with lightning at that point.
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2012, 08:16:57 AM »

Thanks for the credit card info.  We run 1 kilowatt during daylight hours so I think we might be a little wide right now if anything else.

Thanks for the help!
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 11:22:55 AM »

Do your adjusting on a humid day and ease that transmitter up while someone is watching out there.   Tower impedance plays a roll in all of this.  As the impedance goes up, so does the RF voltage, which is what makes things jump, of course.  E = (I squared)x R
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Re: Bugs in the gap
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2012, 11:42:48 AM »

Try a cottage cheese plastic container (or similar) full of mothballs under the ball gap.  They'll tend to evaporate over time, so you'll have to renew them periodically.  Poke holes in the bottom so that rainwater can escape.  I agree that increasing the gap should help.

We have problems with red-tail hawks, a couple who have lived on our towers for years.  They love the view - helps 'em pick out dinner.  I can tell when the tower field needs mowed when the hawks move down to the third set of guys because it's harder for them to spy victims.

I've had them poop rodent and bird fragments into the ball gaps, and that DOES dump the BE transmitter.  Fun to clean up, too....  Roll Eyes
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