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Author Topic: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?  (Read 6740 times)
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Re: Premiere Pulls Limbaugh From Hapless WPHT
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2012, 11:45:06 AM »

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If you spend your life listening to echoes in a tunnel, you lose perspective on what the entire outside world sounds like.

And, if you keep turning your head farther to the right, even things in the true center start to appear far left to you.
Most find a place on the political spectrum where they're comfortable, where things make sense. With some ideological views nearly 360 degrees in opposition to others, much of "the outside world" can sound like indecipherable gibberish.

I know, I know. 180 degrees.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2012, 01:11:27 PM »

I don't think WIOQ will care now that diary use for ratings is gone. If those were still used IOQ would be throwing a fir.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2012, 02:23:19 PM »

I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far.   Wink

But seeing as we're in an age a bit more modern than that antiquated system--at least in Philadelphia--there's no reason to assume they give a hoot.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2012, 02:41:40 PM »

I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far.   Wink

But seeing as we're in an age a bit more modern than that antiquated system--at least in Philadelphia--there's no reason to assume they give a hoot.

The thought that someone would take the opportunity to make a joke here made me bristle. (  Grin )
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2012, 09:50:07 AM »

Here are the facts: Like it or not:

1. Conservative talk is the only form of talk that's successful. Air America and the likes of Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and the like have been utter failures wherever they've been. Best example: Liberal blue collar Buffalo. On the 50K blowtorch 1520...failed miserably.

2. Being a moderate is even worse.

3. Rush, Hannity, Savage, and Beck are the top 4 shows based on listenership nationally. All should be on in Philadelphia.  Levin should also be cleared on a better station.

4. The future of 1210?  Good question. Maybe move WIP AM up there and sell 610.

5. Or could Clear Channel have something up their sleeve for 106.1?  Stay tuned.


The PPM numbers don't lie, NPR- WHYY-FM is #12 and WPHT is #18 in Philly ratings.  WIP-FM is getting better numbers than WPHT, but not as good as WHYY-FM.  So the take away I'd get is Lib/NPR programming is bigger in Philly than Conservative talk or Sports Talk.  Now I'd assume that during Eagles games WIP soars way past WHYY-FM, but apparently overall WHYY-FM is pulling in more ears than any of the other news/talk, sports/talk stations (WNTP, WIP-FM/AM, WPEN-FM/AM, WPHT).

Michael Smirconish is a moderate who's show may do better in a Philly market live than Rush.  I guess time will tell in future PPM ratings for Philly - WWIQ vs WPHT.  Now will either WWIQ or WPHT beat out WHYY-FM?  Time will tell.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2012, 12:39:41 PM »

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Now will either WWIQ or WPHT beat out WHYY-FM?  Time will tell.

Comparing, NPR programming to partisan political talk, or even moderate one host and telephone talk, is really apples and oranges.

In drive time, WHYY is long-form in-depth news, the rest of the schedule is mostly issue oriented interviews with knowledgeable guests.  Many in the audience tune in to learn something, or to be better informed on a wide range of topics never covered on commercial talk radio.  It is conversation, not confrontation, and nobody is selling an agenda or ideology.

It really can't be compared to a "host" waking up every morning and scanning the headlines looking for three hours worth of material to get angry about on the radio.  The whole idea is to work up the emotions of the audience to keep them listening so your advertisers can sell them something.

NPR is NOT a LIBERAL alternative to CONSERVATIVE talk, it is something else altogether, the audience is different, and the two aren't rivals. 

As far as WPHT dumping Rush, don't forget Premier is owned by Clear Channel and its two biggest station owning rivals are CBS and Cumulus.  You can understand CBS not wanting to let its biggest radio rival control the programming on its stations, while sucking a lot of revenue from them.  That is also why Cumulus is starting the Huckabee show.  It owns several of Rush's biggest affiliates, and doesn't like sharing the revenue with its big rival Clear Channel.  It wants to keep the money generated by its stations to itself.

Then there is the increasing danger that a highly partisan Beck or Rush could do or say something that a company like CBS doesn't want to be attached to.  They fired Imus in a heartbeat when that Rutgers name calling incident occurred.  CBS has much more than its radio business image to worry about.

Even if Smerconish doesn't do as well as the rather unimpressive ratings showing of Rush in Philadelphia, his show may be more profitable for CBS, because it's cheaper to carry than Rush.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2012, 03:29:13 PM »

TimeIsTight:  You make some good points, but to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal.  I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.

I agree that the approach of NPR talk/informational programming is different than the rantings of Rush/Beck/Hannity.  It also seems to be the case that the lib talkers like the Randi Rhodes, Ed Schutz, Bill Press, etc, don't seem to do as well vs their right wing counterparts.  Of course in fairness to them, they generally end up on the second tier AM stations that don't cover their respective market as well as the Rush/Beck/Hannity talk stations. 

I contend it is that generally speaking liberal audiences fit the NPR mold and prefer that style of talk/ informational/ in depth interviews to the "bull in a china shop" ranting approach of right wing radio.  So in an odd way, YES NPR is in competition with Rush/Beck/Hannity and conservative talk radio.  NPR is the place that moderates and liberals who want spoken word programming tend to tune.

You apparently have access to the more detailed Philly numbers than just the general 12+ PPM numbers as you mention Rush's unimpressive numbers in Philly. My guess is, Beck and Hannity's numbers and local spot revenue was even worse, probably why WPHT dropped them last year.  Smirconish may not set the world on fire in Philly, but as you said, his show may be far more affordable to carry AND bring in even more local spot revenue than elRushbo.  Who knows, with a live show during Limbaugh's time slot, Smirconish may pull in better PPM numbers than Rush, even with Rush moving to FM. 

Blue counties may have a more difficult time selling folks like Rush, as the Wilmington market shows.  Both WDEL and WILM (2 times) carried Rush.  They got decent numbers, but neither station could sell Rush locally.  The Wilmington Metro is a moderate to leaning left area so local businesses don't want their name assiciated with the likes of Rush/Beck/Hannity.  WILM is a CC station so they've got Rush for the second time, and most local avails are PSA's, rather than local spots. 

Interestingly, downstate Delaware in the two RED counties that have far smaller populations, both WDOV Dover and WGMD Rehoboth Beach seem to have less problems selling local spots during Limbaugh, whereas in blue New Castle County (Wilmington - WILM) its a tough go.  So that too may be the same issue, even bigger, in Philly as it is a far larger market than Wilmington and may be a far bluer market than Wilmington.  So yes, losing Rush, may be a good thing for Philly's WPHT.

So maybe the question should be, will the new 106.9 WWIQ be able to sell many local spots for Rush/Beck/Hannity?  Sure they'll pull in listeners, but by what you said, nothing impressive, but will WWIQ be able to sell those shows?  After all, the bottom line IS the bottom line.
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2012, 06:56:23 PM »

I threw a fir once. It didn't go very far.   Wink
Your fir didn't go far because it didn't fit.

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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2012, 11:19:15 PM »

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to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal.  I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.

That is exactly my point, if "ditto heads" would never tune into NPR, and regular NPR listeners avoid Rush like the plague than the stations are not in competition for the same audience any more than  beautiful music stations, like WDVR or WWSH, were directly "competing" with Top-40 AMs like WFIL or WIBG back in the 60s or 70s.  They have entirely different audiences, and just because one is up doesn't mean the other is down.  I agree, one predictor of who goes where likely is political affiliation, but there are probably many other predictors including level of education, type of occupation etc. There are always exceptions, but NPR probably has more PhDs in its audience than Rush does.

The real competition for WPHT will be the new WWIQ, which will result in a kind of replay of the old WWDB, WCAU battles.

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You apparently have access to the more detailed Philly numbers than just the general 12+ PPM numbers as you mention Rush's unimpressive numbers in Philly.

To be honest, I just have access to the 6+ PPM numbers like most of us here. If Rush's numbers were "impressive" CBS wouldn't be dumping his show.  While the full-day ratings can't tell us how well an individual show is doing, an individual show can't have a better "cume" than the station cume.  And there are 19 or 20 stations in the Philadelphia market with larger cumes than WPHT.  While Rush may have some very loyal dittoheads who spend three-hours every day listening, for a full week they can't total more than 265,000 in a market of 4.5-million, and are probably far fewer.  If Rush were really bringing lots of friends to the party, CBS would probably keep his show as a loss leader for the rest of the station.

Philadelphia is similar to other metro areas where the urban core is heavily Blue, and some of the surrounding suburban areas Red. It is likely WWIQ will find most of its new talk show audience, and possibly many of its advertisers, in the Red counties.
 
Clear Channel has gone a step further, than Merlin will be in Philly, by starting "Rush Radio" in Blue core markets like Boston, Pittsburgh and Raleigh-Durham.  In Boston, possibly to avoid embarrassment, it's no longer called "Rush Radio" but it is still Conservative talk with Rush, Hannity, and Beck, among others.  It has an average weekly cume of 90,000 listeners in a market of 4-million.  While in Raleigh "Rush Radio" is on FM, and ranks #13.  In Pittsburgh on FM, essentially the same lineup ranks #6.

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Sure they'll pull in listeners, but by what you said, nothing impressive, but will WWIQ be able to sell those shows?  After all, the bottom line IS the bottom line.

Just guessing, but WWIQ is mostly likely to do about as well in Philly, as FM "Rush Radio" does in Raleigh.  That is below the top-10, but because of lower employee expenses it will have a much better shot at being quickly profitable than it would have had doing "all news."  Most of the new station's potential listeners have been listening to WPHT, and the new station will divided and share that cume.  It's not likely they will convert large numbers of NPR or music station listeners to move up the FM dial for Conservative talk for long.  Still, they might see a way to duplicate the format's ratings success across the state in Pittsburgh, and have a real winner.  We'll see!
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Re: Smerconish To Unseat Limbaugh On WPHT?
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2012, 11:51:19 PM »

TimeIsTight:  You make some good points, but to conservatives, YES NPR, to their ear, IS liberal.  I don't think you'll find many "ditto heads" tuning in to NPR other than for possibly "Car Talk" on Saturday mornings.
To "ditto heads" CNN, and all mainstream media outside fox news is liberal. That doesn't make it true.
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