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Author Topic: Is the new Arbitron Ratings Policy Unfair to Smaller Radio Companies?  (Read 4069 times)
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Re: Is the new Arbitron Ratings Policy Unfair to Smaller Radio Companies?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 08:13:32 PM »

As a former scientific programmer for the military I believe I can develop a statistical analysis that would provide area radio stations with the info they need and at far less cost.

The biggest issue with ratings is not the tabulation software, but, rather, the design and recruitment of a sample that is proportional and representative of all the desired aspects of the universe being studied.

My guess is that, to create, implement and pay for operation until the time some major clients are signed you would need upwards of $150 million for startup and burn capital.

Nielsen couldn't do it... so I tend to think that you probably couldn't, either.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2012, 04:35:54 AM »

Problem with Arbitron is that they have lost any credibility as a ratings service.  If it is about ratings then you need to include all radio stations in the market.  More than half of the stations in the Atlantic City, NJ market are no longer included in the ratings.  I am currently investigating the possibility of starting a new rating service at much lower cost than Arbitron. As a former scientific programmer for the military I believe I can develop a statistical analysis that would provide area radio stations with the info they need and at far less cost.


Wow - that is pretty interesting.  Never been in the ratings business but think you can fix it.  I will put this post up there with the one where you urged Part 15 operators to buy a "real" station due to the fact that many are for sale for real estate value only.  Do you ever think something all of the way through?
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 10:26:45 AM »

What ever happened to the "car" radio ratings.  Somewhere back in the 1970's or 1980's a company had a "receiver" attached to a small dish antenna that could "pick up" the IF frequency and received RF mix a receiver generates and could tell what station the typical car radio was tuned to about 20 to 50 ft. away.  IIRC they were going to park a van near a busy street or interstate and tabulate the "car" audience.  With cell coverage or a WI FI connection you could give almost "instant" ratings to subscribers.
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Re: Is the new Arbitron Ratings Policy Unfair to Smaller Radio Companies?
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2012, 11:58:19 AM »

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Problem with Arbitron is that they have lost any credibility as a ratings service.  If it is about ratings then you need to include all radio stations in the market.  More than half of the stations in the Atlantic City, NJ market are no longer included in the ratings.

It's just possible that the owners of the unrated Atlantic City stations have done a cost/benefit analysis and decided that subscribing isn't worth it to them.  They may not be chasing national ad business that requires Arbitron ratings, or selling their spots "by the numbers."

Don't forget, Atlantic City is a resort town, with people from other markets coming to visit.  Those tourists are very important to a lot of local advertisers from the casinos, to restaurants, to hotels and other recreation related local businesses.  These businesses are interested in introducing themselves to the tourists over the radio as they roll into town.  And the tourists never show up in the Atlantic City Arbitron ratings. 

The Atlantic City diaries are issued to people who live in the area.  It is Market-144 with 321,000 people, and is about 23-percent Black and Hispanic.  It is not likely a lot of big national advertisers worry too much about spreading their spots around to all the stations in a market that size anyway.   
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2012, 02:19:00 PM »

What would happen if all of the stations in a +200 market did not buy Arbitron?  I can understand where the Atlantic City operations might not make their money back in national buys.  Myrtle Beach SC and any resort town could be in the same financial "squeeze". 
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2012, 02:31:42 PM »

What would happen if all of the stations in a +200 market did not buy Arbitron? 

Then Arbitron drops coverage of the market.  They just dropped two in the state of Michigan a couple weeks ago:

http://www.michiguide.com/archives2012/2012/04/newsmakers-and-links-april-23.html
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2012, 09:32:50 PM »

What ever happened to the "car" radio ratings.  Somewhere back in the 1970's or 1980's a company had a "receiver" attached to a small dish antenna that could "pick up" the IF frequency and received RF mix a receiver generates and could tell what station the typical car radio was tuned to about 20 to 50 ft. away.  IIRC they were going to park a van near a busy street or interstate and tabulate the "car" audience.  With cell coverage or a WI FI connection you could give almost "instant" ratings to subscribers.

One problem was that they did not measure AM. Granted, today that may not be all that significant in many markets.

But the other things was that they did not measure the near-70% of listening that takes place at home and at work, and they did not have demographic data or time spent listening data.

For a while, I heard that they were selling the service to retailers who wanted an indication of the stations being listened to in cars driving past the retail location so that they could buy them for "point of purchase" knowing that they were people who knew the area and could visit the location if they were "invited in."
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Re: Is the new Arbitron Ratings Policy Unfair to Smaller Radio Companies?
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2012, 11:08:18 PM »

What ever happened to the "car" radio ratings. 

   I actually was talking with my engineer about such a system and the feasibility of developing it for the AC Market.... sort of a reverse Portable People Meter set up at strategic locations in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.   The problem, I was told is that it would be too difficult to pick up the signals from each car radio.

      There must be a better and cheaper way to establish ratings.  As a former software engineer/scientific computer programmer for the military, I dealt with far greater challenges. This doesn't seem all too difficult but rather the real problem in my opinion would be in gaining acceptability and the cost involved.
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   I actually was talking with my engineer about such a system and the feasibility of developing it for the AC Market.... sort of a reverse Portable People Meter set up at strategic locations in Atlantic and Cape May Counties.   The problem, I was told is that it would be too difficult to pick up the signals from each car radio.

That technology was developed, deployed and, most important, patented. Hundreds of sensors were mounted on poles along freeways in LA and Phoenix as well as on surface streets, and the system picked up the radiations from passing cars. The whole thing worked, and quite well.

It was not difficult at all to pick up the signals.

Advertisers and agencies did not like it, as it only covered in-car, and had no demographic information; it was as useless for buying as it was for selling.

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There must be a better and cheaper way to establish ratings. 

Advertisers don't want cheaper ratings, they want better ratings. That is why radio was more or less forced to pay 60% more than in the past to go to the PPM in the top 50 markets.

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As a former software engineer/scientific computer programmer for the military, I dealt with far greater challenges. This doesn't seem all too difficult but rather the real problem in my opinion would be in gaining acceptability and the cost involved.

As I said, if Nielsen tried and pulled out of radio, despite their decades of experience and deep pockets, it is really unlikely that any one person can come up with a solution.
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Re: Is the new Arbitron Ratings Policy Unfair to Smaller Radio Companies?
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2012, 10:24:01 PM »

In case you missed it, good article on the subject:
http://www.radio-info.com/programming/urban/the-reality-of-ratings
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