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SirRoxalot
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 11:14:29 AM »

Don't expect the Telcoms or FCC to give up squat. Ever heard of White Space Networking?

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/knows/

If they would simply stop screwing up AM, go back to the bandwidth limits that made it sound good, allow AM Stereo, and promote decent receivers, AM would live on long past the usability of the bandwidth for data. It may not be a great band for music, but it sure works for voice.
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM »

It may not be a great band for music, but it sure works for voice.

With noise levels in most larger metros requiring a 10 to 15 mV/m signal for at home and at work listening, AM does not really work for anything unless you have a monster signal day and night over nearly one hundred percent of the market.
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2012, 02:48:00 PM »

AM will become a 'hit' after we are hit with EMP.

Get out the blue blade razor, a safety pin, some wire and a headphone.  Find a buried pipe close to a tree and listen to the feds... oh wait; no FEMA, they'll be digging their own latrines, too.
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2012, 05:37:41 PM »

And why no one in the FCC is even considering giving portions of channels 6 & 7 to AM broadcasters.

True, but the old "analog" VHF channels 2 - 6 are not super digital friendly frequencies.  The cell / telecom  companies are not "breaking down the doors" to get it.  Some of the old VHF stations that went digital on their old frequencies are jumping up to the UHF frequencies that most of the OTA went to during the digital jump (Channel 5 in Nashville for example).  There are engineering heavies posting on this site that are ten times more qualified to explain, so I will leave it to them to explain.  IMHO except for Channel 6 (87.7) this will be RF waste land soon.   

I think the biggest problem with channels 2-6 are woefully inadequate receiving antennas.  The FCC ran some tests on available indoor antennas last year.  They found they were MUCH less effective on channels 7-13 than on UHF.  They didn't even bother testing them on 2-6 as it was apparent they were going to be nearly useless.  (many models don't even claim to work below channel 7) 

Add to that:
- Noise from electric motors/bad insulators on power lines/etc.., which is worse on lower channels.
- Interference from computers & other electronic equipment, which is also worse on lower channels.
- Sporadic-E interference this time of year, ("skip") which is worse on lower channels.   (this isn't nearly as bad as it was before digital transition, but there are still plenty of analog stations on 2-6 in Canada & Mexico.)
- And in some cases, badly inadequate authorized power levels. 



Now, most of these reasons are *not* good reasons to not use that spectrum for FM radio.  A lot of the interference won't cause nearly as much trouble for FM as it does for TV. 

Probably the biggest reason for not using it for FM is that there are still TV stations there; in some cases there's nowhere else for them to go; and as the FCC tries to repack UHF to sell more of it for wireless, channels 2-6 may be the only thing that keeps many LPTV stations from being driven out of business altogether -- it may be the only place they can go. 

IMHO the oft-suggested idea of reassigning channel 6 for FM is a non-starter as it cannot be used in the two largest markets (NYC and Los Angeles), nor in several other large markets including Philadelphia, Baltimore, Birmingham, and San Diego. 
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2012, 06:08:58 PM »

I finally saw the slightest glimmer of hope for AM radio today.  It's an extreme long shot for numerous reasons which I'll get into below, but here's the page that turned me (a little) around:

http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html

I'm 42, and I seem to only be hearing up to about 13,700 Hz.  I'm HOPING it's my computer / speakers / headphones / amp / allergy medication...  but here's the thing: many older listeners are reporting limited high-end capabilities:

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...13000 50yo...

...4987 L 6483 R
59 yrs
Tinnitus doesn't help either....

...mom 43 stopped around 13500...

...12k right 13k left 42...

...11-12 KHz (and I sort-of think I may be kidding myself that I'm hearing anything for the last 500 Hz). 40 years old...

...14185 - 46 YEARS...

...I am 70 yo and have marked loss starting at 2000. I can hear this tone out to about 3500....

...OK up to 10 kHz apart from a narrow notch at 8 kHz. Age 67. I also have tinnitus at 8 kHz, following accidental exposure to very loud high frequency noise about 30 years ago....

...49. Used headphones. Right ear 12000 with a fade out between 5500-6500. Left ear 3000. Uh oh....

If you look at these (admittedly unscientific) posts, you can see that those over about 40 are doing good to get over 10K.

What that says to me (and I can already hear your objections, but hold on), is that clean broadband AM shouldn't sound much different to an older audience from FM...  if any different at all.

Yes, there are two problems:

#1, the advertisers aren't looking for anyone over 45.  However, if ONE station had almost ALL the listeners over 45 in a large market, wouldn't there be SOME advertisers who could keep it afloat?

#2, "clean" and "broadband" AM.  I agree; unless you have 50 KW, and unless your listeners are using GE SuperRadios or something similar, this isn't happening.

Assuming you had the coverage...  would it be in a station's best interest to partner with any company making broadband AM radios and give away dozens, hundreds if possible, of these broadband radios in their listening area?

A strong signal, targeted at an audience over 45, giving away broadband AM radios constantly...  a long shot, yes...  but I have to wonder if it MIGHT be enough to make an AM (music?) station not just survive, but possibly thrive.

...OK, feel free to start shooting holes in my theory.   Grin
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2012, 10:34:47 AM »

In my market, Wilmington, Delaware, the AM share of the audience is down to 7-percent.  And that is shared by 3 in-market stationsand 3 from nearby Philadelphia.

One station recently turned in its license to allow a DC station to expand on the same frequency. Another was bought by the state as a traffic station.

In short, its practically over in this market.  But In Philadelphia and NYC, there is still a heart beat.

AM is not going anywhere soon nation-wide.  But in some markets, the end is near.
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 04:51:49 PM »


Tallahassee may be one of those markets where the end is near. AM listenership is less than 2 percent.

Here's what a recent visitor from Pensacola, who is also a poster on Radio-Info, had to say after a recent trip through the area:

"For a couple of decades now I've been expecting most of the 5 or 6 AM radio stations in Tally to start shutting down as their equipment falls apart.  Several of them aren't worth as much as the real estate required... toss in the costs to build towers and a physical plant... just enough equipment to simulcast something off the bird... I don't think any AM in Tallahassee is worth that much money.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tallahassee became the first rated market in the country with no AM radio stations left."



I made my living in Tallahassee AM radio from 1979 to 2004 and it hasn't always been like this.
At my first radio job, the station had over a 4 share, and it was on the 1450 graveyard channel with only 250 watts at night. I worked 13 years at another back when you could take requests, etc., from listeners, and get a lot of calls from listeners. So I'm sad to see it had come to this.
Especially in the capital of Florida.

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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 10:24:49 PM »

I have been reading this thread with great interest. I have a 35 year history of radio sales, managment, and on air experience. I'm currently involved with a couple of partners in the potential purchase of a stand alone AM station. I have faith in our abilities. But I do know that it will be a challenge to make it a go. The station currently breaks even with very little local effort in programming and sales. Opinions? feedback? I can't go into a lot of details on the station and market at this point. Thanks!
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 10:35:07 PM »

My advice is the same I give to all investors, regardless of the business:

1) Minimize your risk.  Only devote as much personal money as you're willing to lose.  Don't sell the house.

2) Instead, offer sweat equity.  You provide your time and knowledge for a share of the profits.

3) Have a sense of humor.  If you want a serious investment, this isn't it.  Have fun with it, and find ways to use it to accomplish things you've never done before. 
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Alan McCall
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Re: Is AM dead?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 06:40:01 AM »


Joebob,

In addition to what Big A said, which I think is good advice, if the station does not own its
transmitter/tower site, make sure you can find an alternative. I'm noticing that an awful lot of AM stations are going silent because they lose their tower site. I think this is more critical to AM
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