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Author Topic: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th  (Read 10628 times)
josh
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2012, 12:22:38 AM »


 To musichead1029  and other Rush advocates:  The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.

    WPHT was very wise in dropping him.    Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times.  If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?  Think about this. What does he do on the air? complain, complain complain!  No wonder why wives #1, #2 and #3 said, "adios" to El Rusho.   Now listeners are doing the same and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES!    Bravo for WPHT! Smiley

             
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musichead1029
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2012, 02:17:57 AM »

To musichead1029  and other Rush advocates:  The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.
Really? Do you have a documentable source of those "dwindling" numbers handy? Because the nationwide audience estimates say he has just as many listeners if not more, than he's had in the recent past.

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WPHT was very wise in dropping him. 
Now listeners are [saying goodbye to Rush] and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES!
Frankly, in radio circles one of the trains of thought is that WPHT didn't learn from history. If you're going to drop relatively popular syndicated fare due to costs issues, have something commensurate to replace it with. WPHT didn't and doesn't. As for how PHT smells, that will be determined when Fall ratings reports come out. (It would be prudent to get a handkerchief to cover your nose.)

We all have opinions on this. Some are justifiable, others just wing it.


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If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?
Never been married, eh?

Some with experience would opine that you should never listen to anyone who hasn't been married more than once. Life experience has a tendency to temper one's disposition. And, yes, on that basis you can listen to me.
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Pab Sungenis
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2012, 05:09:48 PM »

To musichead1029  and other Rush advocates:  The reality is Rush's days are numbered. He may to continue to host a show somewhere but the truth is, his audience is such a small, narrow range of people. His numbers continue to dwindle such that it isn't even worth talking about.
Really? Do you have a documentable source of those "dwindling" numbers handy? Because the nationwide audience estimates say he has just as many listeners if not more, than he's had in the recent past.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/11/limbaugh/

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Limbaugh obtained the largest audience during an era when audience count was made by manually filled out diaries, a practice which has been slowly phased out over the past few years, as detailed electronic tracking became available. Once the detailed tracking was available, Rush’s ratings dropped significantly, by over a third. With an estimated weekly audience of 15 million users now, that comes to an average of less than 3,000 listeners per station, not very good ratings at all. For comparison, left-wing giant Ed Schultz on Jones Radio Network sports an estimated 8,000 listeners per station. To get these numbers, we took the totals given from Talkers Magazine and cross-referenced with the number of stations that carry each show. Rush is carried on over 10x as many stations as Big Eddie. Even though Rush’s overall listenership is high, the number per station is low.

Emphasis mine.
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2012, 05:12:56 PM »

Frankly, in radio circles one of the trains of thought is that WPHT didn't learn from history. If you're going to drop relatively popular syndicated fare due to costs issues, have something commensurate to replace it with. WPHT didn't and doesn't. As for how PHT smells, that will be determined when Fall ratings reports come out. (It would be prudent to get a handkerchief to cover your nose.)

We all have opinions on this. Some are justifiable, others just wing it.

Again, CBS pays a lot less for Smerconish than they did for Limbaugh, simply because they don't have a six-digit carriage fee to pay.  They also have more inventory they can sell and a host less likely to attract boycotts.  Rush has always been difficult to sell locally and after all the Sandra Fluke mess it's been nigh impossible.

WPHT can pull in 1/3 of Rush's numbers with Smerconish and still make a profit.
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2012, 10:10:15 PM »


    WPHT was very wise in dropping him.    Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times.  If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?  Think about this. What does he do on the air? complain, complain complain!  No wonder why wives #1, #2 and #3 said, "adios" to El Rusho.   Now listeners are doing the same and WPHT is coming out smelling like ROSES!    Bravo for WPHT! Smiley     

Funny so the they hire Buzz Bissinger who proudly admits on air he's on wife THREE and you applaud them. The guy also admitted on air to taking a daily cocktail of Effexor, Wellbutrin, and some other psychotropic goodies.
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2012, 02:33:50 AM »

{Link to bitter partisan screed posing as ratings analysis}

This is a prime example of the partisan drivel sites that you can block in your DNS log to protect those who aren't in on the "joke."

The junior typist at the addictedtocrack link gave himself up by mentioning oxycontin. Nothing says "bitter partisan crap" like mocking an addiction (Limbaugh successfully completed rehabilitation 8 years ago). Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

You'd think compulsive partisan koolaide consumers would have some sympathy for a fellow addict. And you'd be wrong.

The steno drone didn't even try very hard:

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Limbaugh obtained the largest audience during an era when audience count was made by manually filled out diaries, a practice which has been slowly phased out over the past few years, as detailed electronic tracking became available. Once the detailed tracking was available, Rush’s ratings dropped significantly, by over a third. With an estimated weekly audience of 15 million users now

The estimates were off and you equate that with "losing audience?" Really?

This is why they should teach at least one middle school course in logic. It could change politics overnight.

The audience didn't drop. Nobody turned off the radio. The estimate dropped. Limbaugh's national audience was estimated by diaries at around 22 million. Turns out in the PPM age, it's more like 15M (which is still an estimate that includes diaries in smaller markets, just like the estimates for every other show). Of course 15M is still the largest audience of any radio show today and it's the same audience he's had for years. And I would imagine estimates for other shows were adjusted accordingly. So where's the audience "loss" in that? I'm sure those advertisers with the courage to expose themselves to large audiences are going ballistic that only 15M are hearing their ads!

One of the keys to Limbaugh's large audience is his large number of (willing and paying) affiliates, which apparently aren't too concerned that someone estimated that the per-station listeners on Ed Schultz's under 40 confirmable affiliates is larger than on Limbaugh's approximately 600 stations. While Limbaugh's station total has held steady despite manufactured controversy, Ed seems to be losing affiliates, so it's likely the audience estimates used for him are stale: the claim of an average 8,000 listeners per station on under 40 stations is under 320,000 listeners. That's just over 2% of Limbaugh's audience estimate. It may be because "Giant" Ed can be a bit tough to digest when his anger management techniques aren't working for him. And it explains why nobody complains when Schultz engages in his periodic ugly misogynist ranting. As with Bill Maher, there just isn't a big enough audience to matter.

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Rush has always been difficult to sell locally and after all the Sandra Fluke mess it's been nigh impossible.
A lot of people keep trying to sell that meme, but Limbaugh's ratings went up for a couple of weeks surrounding the manufactured Georgetown activist kerfuffle, and other than a short term cooling off period, ads are back where they were before the Media Matters-coordinated "boycott" which consisted of a handful of political activists who never listen to Limbaugh harassing advertisers. This has been tried before against Limbaugh with the same results. It's surprising that ad buyers even pay attention to the noise. Rush's dedicated audience has always stuck with him during these charades, and the advertisers shoot themselves in the foot by pulling ads for no reason. And the activists apparently can't counter whatever it is that scares them silly about Limbaugh, so they have to try and silence him. Not that the activists have a shortage of media mouthpieces to churn out their message. Must be a weak message.

With cheap programming, PHT can afford to sell less ads post-Rush. But to generate revenue, they still have to have ratings to sell, something "Mr. Excitement" Smerconish appears to be short of.
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2012, 07:09:27 AM »

{Link to bitter partisan screed posing as ratings analysis}

This is a prime example of the partisan drivel sites that you can block in your DNS log to protect those who aren't in on the "joke."

The numbers addictinginfo cited were from Talkers Magazine.

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With cheap programming, PHT can afford to sell less ads post-Rush. But to generate revenue, they still have to have ratings to sell, something "Mr. Excitement" Smerconish appears to be short of.

They will still have ratings.
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2012, 08:57:16 AM »

Looking at Rush's own real life: this is a man that has been married four times.  If a man can't keep a wife is he really worth listening to?            

You're confusing audio fidelity with marital fidelity Cheesy
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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2012, 01:06:30 PM »

No doubt, Rush has the largest weekly cume in national talk radio. Equal to the cume of seven or eight B101s or between two and three times the cume of any "one" of Clear Channel's three top rated FMs in NYC, and that is impressive, but Rush is on 600 stations.

If you look at the cume numbers for Rush affiliates in the top-50 PPM markets, you'll note that with a few exceptions, like LA and Pittsburgh, most of the stations that carry Rush are hardly stellar ratings performers in their own markets.  In places like Boston and San Francisco Rush affiliates do especially poorly. 

So, apparently, a large chunk of Rush's national audience is in the smaller markets, many of which aren't even diary markets. 

And we have learned from the far more accurate PPM system, that some diary holders routinely exaggerate their listening to stations that favor their ethnic group, sports team, or political leanings.

At best, any "estimates" of the completely unrated audience is an educated guess.   

However, in the major PPM markets, like NYC and Philly, there has been more than just cume "slippage" for Rush affiliates in recent years. ( WABC has lost about about a third of its cume)  How much of that slippage is for Rush's show alone, or can be blamed on weaker dayparts, only those with full Arbitron PPM data know for sure, but there are signs that the format's overall appeal has peaked and is fading and Rush's actual audience numbers are likely following that trend.

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Re: Rush moves to 106.9, Monday, June 25th
« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2012, 11:02:12 PM »

Just in case the repeating yet again of the "paid caller" myth from last year didn't give it away right up front.

Not to mention the repeating of the old barter lie. Rush's stations pay.
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