Phoenix Arbitron Radio Ratings: May 2012

[landtuna]

I realize they have different owners so it ain't gonna happen but I'd personally love to see the Lumberyard's playlist on 95.5 as a TRUE Oldies station and not that disappointing mix that KOOL has turned into.

What's the definition of "TRUE" oldies again?

I mean I wasn't exactly thrilled when KOOL started to add lots of 70s hits, and was practically beside myself when they added 80s hits, but then again if a song from 1982 - 30 years old - isn't an "oldie," then what is?

An Oldie isn't defined only by time.  Those songs belong to the first and second generations of Rock/Pop - in calendar terms mid-1950's through early 80's excluding Disco.

KOOL is on my car radio only during long stop sets by KSLX.  At home listening is KODS.  I would listen to KOY-AM and KAZT-AM if their signals weren't so crappy. 

[DavidEduardo]

What's the definition of "TRUE" oldies again?

I mean I wasn't exactly thrilled when KOOL started to add lots of 70s hits, and was practically beside myself when they added 80s hits, but then again if a song from 1982 - 30 years old - isn't an "oldie," then what is?

Internally, inside the radio and advertising businesses, "oldies" is a format name for stations that play a 60's centered pop gold format.

By the same measure, "classic hits" identifies the 70's-centered format variant.

To listeners, "oldies" means whatever a station tells them it means. 

[DJ_Perry]

in calendar terms mid-1950's through early 80's excluding Disco.

Why does it exclude Disco?  If you're biased about those type of oldies, that means you should also exclude Motown, Soul, or Funk.  Its all related.  Rod Steward had a Disco song, so did Heart and the Stones.

[oldiesfan6479]

KOOL is on my car radio only during long stop sets by KSLX.  At home listening is KODS.  I would listen to KOY-AM and KAZT-AM
if their signals weren't so crappy.

KODS as in "KODS Carnelian Bay/Reno weather..."?

KAZT (AM or FM)?  KAZG maybe?  Now don't diss the Lumberyard!

[landtuna]

in calendar terms mid-1950's through early 80's excluding Disco.

Why does it exclude Disco?  If you're biased about those type of oldies, that means you should also exclude Motown, Soul, or Funk.  Its all related.  Rod Steward had a Disco song, so did Heart and the Stones.

Remember, you asked for my opinion.....so here it is.

Disco is dance music, pure and simple.  It is to Rock/Pop what Swing is.  Good in its own right but not within the genre. 

As far as artists having crossovers.....Elvis sang some Standards, ballads and a whole bunch of Christmas songs.  Does that mean everything he did deserves to be included in Rock/Pop?  Of course not.  The artist does not determine the song's genre, the song does.

I do not make a distinction between Motown, Soul and funk because they pretty much all sound the same, and although I am not personally a big fan of these, I have to acknowledge Motown, in particular, was a big part of Oldies at one time.

[landtuna]

KOOL is on my car radio only during long stop sets by KSLX.  At home listening is KODS.  I would listen to KOY-AM and KAZT-AM
if their signals weren't so crappy.

KODS as in "KODS Carnelian Bay/Reno weather..."?

KAZT (AM or FM)?  KAZG maybe?  Now don't diss the Lumberyard!

Yup.....KODS.  Best Oldies station I've found on the 'Net so far.

KAZG - OOPS!  Typo.  The Lumberyard, of course.

[DJ_Perry]

Disco is dance music, pure and simple.  It is to Rock/Pop what Swing is.  Good in its own right but not within the genre. 

Any Genre qualifies as an oldie as long as it charted well on the Mainstream charts.  Devil went down to Georgia, Moondance, Green Onions, The In Crowd, and even Stayin Alive.  All fall outside the Rock/Pop world, but charted with Top 40 Music = Oldie.

[landtuna]

Any Genre qualifies as an oldie as long as it charted well on the Mainstream charts.  Devil went down to Georgia, Moondance, Green Onions, The In Crowd, and even Stayin Alive.  All fall outside the Rock/Pop world, but charted with Top 40 Music = Oldie.

Disagree.  Otherwise you'd also have lots of Country crossovers which were popular on T-40 radio in the late 50's and early 60's as Oldies and clearly they don't belong to that genre.

Green Onions and The In Crowd were both jazz crossovers but because they were played a lot on T-40 I would agree they belong.  Stayin' Alive was a Disco crossover and its popularity on radio followed the movie soundtrack. Not really a dance song but definitely a Pop song so I agree there too.  I don't remember Moondance.

[DJ_Perry]

  I don't remember Moondance.

Van Morrison....plays on KSLX

[Ford]

Internally, inside the radio and advertising businesses, "oldies" is a format name for stations that play a 60's centered pop gold format.

Do the listeners care about the internal inside the business definition?  I think not.  I don't believe for a second that an average non-Radio-Info posting listener tunes into KOOL, hears "Hungry Like the Wolf" and says "hey, that doesn't fit within the 60's centered pop gold format!"