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surfin bird
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Re: Pirates..
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2012, 10:07:56 AM »

Don't want to get into a political argument here (though I do agree with Occupy on all fronts)...But anyways...I don't have an issue with people starting threads on what format should come to Boston...I do take issue with people thinking that they're somehow ENTITLED to a) a format change and b) walking into any station, broadcasting whatever they so feel and thinking that there's going to be zero consequence and repercussion.

Geroge Carlin said that you have no rights. If you READ up on the news, you'll see that he had a point. So, don't give me that shit that a certain demographic has a right to a format flip. They don't. Nobody does. I cried when my former boss Clark Smidt told me years later that his group bought out the old B106 in Nashua. It's a business sadly. Smidt (who after working with him was a miserable person in many other aspects) felt through ROI, demographics, and a purchase and sale flipped a middle of the roader to a hot AC until it became Frank FM. And someone else will buy THAT out. Circle of life.

If you truly want change, and this goes beyond radio, you have to be patient and expect things to come slowly. You don't get your way overnight. Because if that were the case, well, anything goes. Radio will adapt to the growing needs in different forms, and radiokid will learn, and eventually do his own podcast where he gets to play whatever he so pleases. Play me out some MC5 young brotha!
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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2012, 11:18:38 AM »

@Surfinbird,
Thank you for your words, and for respectfully replying to my posts.  You seem to have as much passion for this industry as I do.  I guess you and I will have to respectfully agree to disagree -- one of the unique things about living in a free country such as this.  There is nothing that can convince me that the African American population in Boston (22.4 percent), or any other minority population, don't have the right to be served by a local radio station, as they are citizens of this country, and therefore own the radio airwaves.
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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2012, 01:25:23 PM »


Radio stations have bills to pay.  Electric bills.  Water bills.  Insurance premiums.  Land taxes, rent or mortgage.  Employee payrolls.  Music fees.  Where does that money keep coming from, if you don't have advertisers or supporters?  If you can't pay the bills, you go off the air, plain and simple.  Serving a small niche group of the population is fine and dandy, but one day the lack of $$ return (due to lack of advertiser or supporters support) forces a decision.

We mustn't forget the $30million station license fees set in by the corrupted FCC.
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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2012, 03:24:17 PM »

@Surfinbird,
Thank you for your words, and for respectfully replying to my posts.  You seem to have as much passion for this industry as I do.  I guess you and I will have to respectfully agree to disagree -- one of the unique things about living in a free country such as this.  There is nothing that can convince me that the African American population in Boston (22.4 percent), or any other minority population, don't have the right to be served by a local radio station, as they are citizens of this country, and therefore own the radio airwaves.

Aren't there low-powered FMs in and around Boston? And I appreciate YOUR passion and I don't disagree with you on certain things, but there is a by-the-book policy that we have to abide by.
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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2012, 03:35:17 PM »

As far as I know, there are some college stations around Boston.  If a student at those colleges decides to do a hiphop show, then, there is that to listen to.  If noone is interested, you're out of luck.

One more point if I may.  I've just looked up the percent of African American population in Boston, VS the Latino population.  The African American population, according to the cencyus, is 22.4 percent.  The Latino population is 17.5 percent.

If the Latino population, who is at less of a population percentage than the African Americans, can have 4 radio stations serving them, why would it not work for Boston to have 1 radio station targeting African Americans?

And before  anyone says that Boston doesn't have that many Latino or Hispanic radio stations:
1. WTTT 1150 (SP Religion)
WAMG (890)
WKOX (1430)
and WUNR (1600)

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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2012, 05:36:34 PM »

You left out quite a few, and WUNR has some SP programming, but it's one of many languages on there.
WNNW, Lawrence 800
WNSH, Beverly 1570
WESX Salem 1230
WJDA Quincy 1300
WLLH Lowell and Lawrence 1400
WCEC Haverhill 1490
There are more, but you get the point.

However, what you don't know is the majority of this programming (except WNNW and WKOX) is brokered, so the station owners do not care if anyone listens or not. Brokered and commercial stations are completely different business models.
Kid, you have a LOT to learn.
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« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2012, 06:13:20 PM »


One more point if I may.  I've just looked up the percent of African American population in Boston, VS the Latino population.  The African American population, according to the cencyus, is 22.4 percent.  The Latino population is 17.5 percent.

If the Latino population, who is at less of a population percentage than the African Americans, can have 4 radio stations serving them, why would it not work for Boston to have 1 radio station targeting African Americans?

And before  anyone says that Boston doesn't have that many Latino or Hispanic radio stations:
1. WTTT 1150 (SP Religion)
WAMG (890)
WKOX (1430)
and WUNR (1600)



TheRadioKid: You can't assume the black population of Boston is African-American. Most of it is Caribbean-American. And especially Haitian-American. Americans would all be better off if we'd explore deeper than Census color based racial groups created for bureaucratic convenience that tell nothing about the people.

Radio One failed in Boston cause they tried an approach that works in the MidWest, without respect for Boston's diversity.

Meanwhile the Pirates are off the hook in Boston. I've been the Caribbean Carnival in Franklin Park. Big City 101.3 is well represented on the floats and the promotions.
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« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2012, 07:06:31 PM »

Many pirates don't advertise or take advertising dollars

ive never heard a FM pirate that didnt run ads
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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2012, 07:14:52 PM »

corporate guys come in, snatch them up and stick another translator on the air and rebroadcast the same signal and same content over 7 or 8 different markets

FCC also grenlighted them eating the ability to receive fringe/DX on both sides of their existing signal with new iBiquity Crap - that nobody but Eli's mom listens to. and artificial-scarcity has been done so many times that its boring to even talk about
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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2012, 08:22:28 PM »

What all these people who keep talking about the limited spectrum and use that excuse to justify the manner in which the FCC has licensed and allocate stations, please explain to me how, in several countries and particularly in Europe, the FM band in major cities is literally crammed with stations, from end to end, broadcasting legally?

Here are some of the reasons:

1) The examples you cite are in countries much smaller geographically than the US, with generally higher population density.

Doesn't matter.  The example I listed above were for stations broadcasting *in* specific cities and targeting those cities.  The metro area populations of Rome or Athens are not larger than most U.S. metro areas.

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2) Not all those stations are privately-owned.  Many are government-owned.

Not all are, but most are.  For each of the above samples (Rome, Athens, Istanbul) only one frequency corresponded to a government-owned station.  The rest are private.  And it shouldn't matter anyway.  Frequencies are frequencies, and we're talking about the number of frequencies that can operate before planes, supposedly, start falling out of the sky.

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3) Most of the stations in Europe run much lower power than US stations, and if I'm not mistaken also use lower frequency deviation, meaning they have smaller bandwidth requirements.  In addition, a few countries such as Italy allocate stations using 50kHz spacing instead of the 200kHz used in North America.

I just mentioned that in those cities, the stations are higher-powered, easily running 10-20 kw in most instances (and I'm not talking about ERP).  Compare that with 6-7 kw for the stations broadcasting from the Empire State Building, for instance.

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4) Trying to listen to FM stations in some large cities in Europe is a nightmare.  The stations may all be legal, but they topple over each other due to FM's capture effect, and therefore reception of some stations is unreliable even in what is supposed to be their primary coverage area.

Wrong again.  I've traveled to all of those cities, and whether I was listening in the car, on a home receiver, on a walkman, on my phone, etc., I had absolutely no trouble listening to the radio in any of those cities.  In fact, I was struck by how clearly they were all received and many with excellent processing, almost all in stereo and almost all with RDS.

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5) The frequency allocation schemes in other countries weren't necessarily developed with private businesses in mind, stemming from a time when most broadcast stations in Europe were government-owned and the government could put the stations on whatever frequencies they wanted.  In the US the allocation scheme was heavily tilted in favor of private businesses, specifically at keeping frequencies as clear as possible within a reasonable range of the communities the stations are licensed to.  (IOW, if the government was going to allocate frequencies to private businesses, it's entirely reasonable for those businesses to be able to stay in business by having a frequency mostly clear of interference from other stations.)

True about the frequency allocations, but in those cities above, 90% of the stations operating right now are privately-owned.  They seem to have no trouble doing business under current conditions or covering the entirety of those cities.
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