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Author Topic: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy  (Read 1773 times)
evnlee
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2006, 01:59:28 PM »

The program director's name was Kevin Metheney (whom he called "Pig Virus"), currently with Clear Channel's Cleveland cluster.  He was not PD at WNBC when Stern first arrived.


I did not hear Stern before that on WASH but both the movie and the book make it clear he had bashed management there after they tried to sit on him, as well. 

Let's recap:  You say no station will let a personality take shots at management. 
I say some do.  It can be good radio and good business.  This has been demonstrated repeatedly all the way back to Godfrey in Washington.  Maybe bashing management is part of what makes some personalities successful.
I say AAR should have let Malloy stay on, even if he takes shots at management - maybe especially if he'd take shots at management.  You say - again - no station will let a personality take shots at management.  Sorry, Rhett.  You don't know what you're talking about here.






fred, Paul Giamatti was the ACTOR that played 'Pig Virus' in the movie, Private Parts.

In the movie, he never talks openly about his dislike for the station management on the air until 'Pig Virus', plus he never once mentions in the paperback any diatribes on the air about any management except WNBC ( page 459, Private Parts paperback, on my shelf.)

My point remains: Stern did not open a mic and bash his employers until he was secure enough in his job to do so. Obviously, Malloy was not that secure, right?

Unless you can show me an example in his book or movie where he goes on the air to smack down his boss while in Hartford, Detroit, or DC, you dont know what you are talking about.

Just because Stern, Godfrey,or Letterman can get away with it ( beauase they could pull in the ratings ) does not mean a low rated, late night radio personality wannabee like Malloy is in the same league. If he had a quarter of the talent, and a fraction of the ratings, maybe, but he didn;t That's why he was so unceremoniously canned Roll Eyes
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2006, 02:20:53 PM »

Randi Rhodes just said she and Sam Sedar are going to "fight" against "corporate" America to bring Mike back to Air America.  She's put a link on her website for comments to Air America.
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2006, 02:49:24 PM »

Randi Rhodes just said she and Sam Sedar are going to "fight" against "corporate" America to bring Mike back to Air America.  She's put a link on her website for comments to Air America.

suspicions confirmed.

Note, Randi and Sam don't say " I'm calling out those boneheads at Piquant LLC and the suits at Air America!! How dare they fire my good friend, Malloy!! "

instead, she covertly rails agains 'corporate America' and put's a link to AAR on her website.

If complaining about the people that cut your check makes for great radio, everyone would be doing it. Only a select few can get away with it. No on on AAR is there yet. Grin
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2006, 03:29:44 PM »

In the movie, he never talks openly about his dislike for the station management on the air until 'Pig Virus', plus he never once mentions in the paperback any diatribes on the air about any management except WNBC ( page 459, Private Parts paperback, on my shelf.)

My point remains: Stern did not open a mic and bash his employers until he was secure enough in his job to do so. Obviously, Malloy was not that secure, right?

Unless you can show me an example in his book or movie where he goes on the air to smack down his boss while in Hartford, Detroit, or DC, you dont know what you are talking about.

Just because Stern, Godfrey,or Letterman can get away with it ( beauase they could pull in the ratings ) does not mean a low rated, late night radio personality wannabee like Malloy is in the same league. If he had a quarter of the talent, and a fraction of the ratings, maybe, but he didn;t That's why he was so unceremoniously canned Roll Eyes

As I recall, you are somewhere around Atlanta.  I was in New York.  I was listening to W-NNNN-BC.  Stern bashed management.  Take my word for it or call me a liar.

Possibly bashing management takes a combination of talent, cajones and management secure enough to take it and smart enough to know a good thing when it happens.

Which is the chicken and which is the egg?  Perhaps an outrageous personality (including bashing management) leads to ratings.  Ratings leads to continued and greater freedom to bash management.  Again, we are talking about national talk radio here, not Dothan or Augusta.  Malloy is not a radio novice.  He knows the envelope and when to push it.  Like Phil, you are making assumptions here.  None of us KNOWS what led to Malloy's firing.  You say he said the wrong thing at the wrong time about the wrong person.  Maybe.  Or maybe it's about money and cutting costs.  Maybe it's about his poor clearances (against Lionel, Colmes and - until June - Hendrie). 

The issue is how they handled his firing and whether they should have let him stay on through the end of next week.  Again, I say, AAR showed it's unique ability to make itself look bad in how they handled this.  You assume Malloy would go on and bash AAR.  Well, that's not what he's done on his website or other public statements.  If he had, he'd look worse than AAR.  Besides, better to have him bitching and moaning in late night with a small audience on only those stations which carry his show than to have Randi and Seder bitching and moaning to a bigger audience.  Even if Randi tones it down, EVERYBODY knows about whom she is talking.  (This is why Randi is not a major league talk show host; she does not have the combination of talent and cojones required to rail overtly.)

Malloy's been around.  Don't assume he'd have complained on air.  But if he did, don't assume he doesn't know how to do it right and make it entertaining.
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2006, 03:43:44 PM »

Like Phil, you are making assumptions here.  None of us KNOWS what led to Malloy's firing.  You say he said the wrong thing at the wrong time about the wrong person.  Maybe.  Or maybe it's about money and cutting costs.  Maybe it's about his poor clearances (against Lionel, Colmes and - until June - Hendrie). 

What, and you are assumption-free?  I like how you want to "rise above" the speculation in here.

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The issue is how they handled his firing and whether they should have let him stay on through the end of next week.  Again, I say, AAR showed it's unique ability to make itself look bad in how they handled this.  You assume Malloy would go on and bash AAR.  Well, that's not what he's done on his website or other public statements.  If he had, he'd look worse than AAR.  Besides, better to have him bitching and moaning in late night with a small audience on only those stations which carry his show than to have Randi and Seder bitching and moaning to a bigger audience.  Even if Randi tones it down, EVERYBODY knows about whom she is talking.  (This is why Randi is not a major league talk show host; she does not have the combination of talent and cojones required to rail overtly.)

No matter what AAR did, you'd be complaining.  Is it a seasonal kind of thing with you?  You were actually being reasonable most of the time over the summer and now you're right back in the "they made another wrong decision" rubber stamp mode.  Does this signal another handle change soon?  Smiley

When Unfiltered was shown the door, there were complaints and we knew about it weeks in advance.  When Malloy was yanked, there were complaints.  If he lasted the rest of the week, there would have been complaints.  It's the world of corporate radio, where the photos on your desk are secure until you get 30 minutes to clean out your desk and shown the street.  Why is there surprise when fans learn their show host is out the door?  That happens everywhere.

As I've always said, Randi Rhodes does not play corporate nice-nice, even with her bosses.  She has complained about AAR when they do stupid things all along.  She vilified Clear Channel on WJNO when she worked down there.  Your nonsensical critique of Randi belies the fact she was the number one host in her home market, and she is probably more important to the future of AAR than any other host.  And she holds grudges, so this isn't the end of it.
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Re: Jon Elliott replacing Mike Malloy
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2006, 04:21:21 PM »


As I recall, you are somewhere around Atlanta.  I was in New York.  I was listening to W-NNNN-BC.  Stern bashed management.  Take my word for it or call me a liar.


 Like Phil, you are making assumptions here.  None of us KNOWS what led to Malloy's firing.  You say he said the wrong thing at the wrong time about the wrong person.  Maybe.  Or maybe it's about money and cutting costs.  Maybe it's about his poor clearances (against Lionel, Colmes and - until June - Hendrie). 


Fred, can you read? I said he did not bash management until he got to WNNNNNBC. I provided page numbers from his book and recalled his movie and there is no mention of him bashing his bosses until the 80's!!

I never speculated why malloy was fired. I only speculated as to why his employers didn't give him 2 weeks notice and a mic to do it. I live in d/t Atlanta and worked in this market for 7 years, I never saw that happen once.

I'm sure in NYC, this is an everyday occurance.

" Malloy, your fired. Now hang around for 2 weeks and help us out, ok?"

Get a clue Roll Eyes
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