Rhythmic trends '07: The South Shall Fall

[Brooklyndon]

With new releases by Diddy, DMX,  Jadakiss, and Snoop Dogg coming out, and speculation that jay-Z may come out of retirement, and Shyne might get out on parole.  it seems as if dirty south beats hit its zenith about 2 years ago when the Little john and Usher did that song.  Since then, the N'orleans sound has been wiped out, Outkast's movie did nothing at the box offices, and T.I. and Rick Ross are both on Def Jam.  That leaves Scarface, and Ludacris, who also had a makeover recently.

The south sound started ten years before 2007, reached full steam in 01-02, especially when Nelly totally coopted the South sound, and peaked in 04.  Could 2007 be the year where the south falls to the wayside and the east or the west takes over again?

[spongebag7890]

I think people should quit trying to remake "Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It", which is a lame song already.

[Josh C.]

Yeah, really.  That beat is dead.  Get over it.

The truth of the matter is, the true "Dirty South" sound peaked in 2001-2002.  Luda was at his peak, crunk hadn't entirely obliterated any semblance of musicality in rap yet, and we weren't beating a dead horse with recycled beats ad nauseum.  Everything since those two years has either been attempts to cheaply capitalize on the popularity of the genre or extreme crunk.

It's about time we got back to real hip-hop.  The Dirty South flavor can be a part of that... but it needs to be the real Dirty South.  Not crunk, not "Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It", not any of the crap we've had to put up with in the past few years.  Give us something new that's actually listenable.

[htowler]

Lil jon and Usher made WHICH Song?  there were 2 Mega Hits.   The 1st one is "yeah"  and the Second even thought it was NEVER Released as a Single "Lovers and Friends"

[Brooklyndon]

There ws an interesting article in the times today about how all the top songs on the rado in new york this summer were only hip hop derived but lacked real rapping.  I think its a sign of how much trouble the East Coast is in right now.  I think all the blame can be shifted to the way interscope marketed 50 cent.  Ten years ago, when interscope marketed Tupac as a beef artist, it lead to creative stifling and eventual end of west coast rap (Dre stopped making music, Snoop went to no limit, Cypress Hill went to rock),  50's beefs have alientated hit maker like Murder Inc.  And now 50 is coming out at jay-Z, puff daddy, Shyne...  I hope all artists dissed by 50 get together and make a song called "Wanksta part II, you never popped, but you done dropped, B*tch."  I think that should be the hook.  And the entire song should be a reference to how in jail he was raped, even if that statement is untrue.    The only way the east can survive, is if the cancer that is 50 cent is removed.

link to artical about summer without hip-hop:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/07/arts/music/07sann.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1157641310-+K2Ydn4gHVvjF3GWgmH0YQ

[Rico Garcia]

There ws an interesting article in the times today about how all the top songs on the rado in new york this summer were only hip hop derived but lacked real rapping.  I think its a sign of how much trouble the East Coast is in right now.  I think all the blame can be shifted to the way interscope marketed 50 cent.  Ten years ago, when interscope marketed Tupac as a beef artist, it lead to creative stifling and eventual end of west coast rap (Dre stopped making music, Snoop went to no limit, Cypress Hill went to rock),  50's beefs have alientated hit maker like Murder Inc.  And now 50 is coming out at jay-Z, puff daddy, Shyne...  I hope all artists dissed by 50 get together and make a song called "Wanksta part II, you never popped, but you done dropped, B*tch."  I think that should be the hook.  And the entire song should be a reference to how in jail he was raped, even if that statement is untrue.    The only way the east can survive, is if the cancer that is 50 cent is removed.

This is a cute idea. If I remember correctly, the last time we had a west coast/east coast lyrical battle going on we lost two artists to murder. You really want that to happen again?

No matter if you love or hate rap and/or it's messages, when a musical "beef" starts getting people killed, it's not worth it.

[Josh C.]

I don't think that's what Brooklyndon was trying to say.  What I got out of it was that the beef 50 has spread around is the cause of the problems on the east coast alone, not across the country.  He's basically single-handedly killed off east coast hip-hop, and the only thing that will fix that is for other east coast artists to come out and put out better music.  We don't have to resort to violence... we just need more creativity.

[RussAllen]

With new releases by Diddy, DMX,  Jadakiss, and Snoop Dogg coming out, and speculation that jay-Z may come out of retirement, and Shyne might get out on parole.  it seems as if dirty south beats hit its zenith about 2 years ago when the Little john and Usher did that song.  Since then, the N'orleans sound has been wiped out, Outkast's movie did nothing at the box offices, and T.I. and Rick Ross are both on Def Jam.  That leaves Scarface, and Ludacris, who also had a makeover recently.

The south sound started ten years before 2007, reached full steam in 01-02, especially when Nelly totally coopted the South sound, and peaked in 04.  Could 2007 be the year where the south falls to the wayside and the east or the west takes over again?

Well, things do go in cycles.  But damn, Diddy's album sure fizzled fast.  Has he even outsold his girl group Danity Kane.  I'll answer that one, "NO".  First single was what?  Top 15?  Second single stiffed, now Atlantic is hopefull...er uh...praying that a remix of the third single that has T.I. on it will do something.  Hmmm.

DMX's album was recently certified BRICK!

Outside of NYC who is counting the days for a new Jadakiss album?  I mean, really, who?

Snoop's CD is nice, he might even get some CHR/Pop airplay on "That's That".  And "Imagine" is an awesome sounding song.

Jay-Z's album sold but did "Show Me What You Got" even go top 10 at urban?  And right as radio is spinning "Lost One" enough to get it into the top 25 IDJMG decides not to pursue that as a single but go after the song featuring Beyonce.  Real smart choice that was, radio found something they really wanted to play on his CD and instead of rolling with that, the label decides to swim upstream.

Fat Joe has a hit thanks to Lil Wayne.  Face it, it's a Lil Wayne song, that's how it's getting over with consumers south of Philly.

Can't wait til Dre's CD comes out in the fall, should be hawt.