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Author Topic: So why should Bush listen to liberals about his Supreme Court choice?  (Read 1125 times)
dhett
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Re: So why should Bush listen to liberals about his Supreme Court choice?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2005, 01:51:02 AM »

> On the other hand....look at how orrin hatch and clinton
> consulted and it worked well for all....bush is not that
> classy or smart to work comprimise...he thinks a fight is
> the only way to handle an issue....

You're wrong.  Senators Orrin Hatch and Charles Schumer were guests on the Meet The Press radio show last Sunday.  During the interview, Sen. Hatch stated that President Bush has already consulted with more Democrats on this upcoming nomination than President Clinton ever did.  Sen. Schumer did not deny that.
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Re: Read my lips...
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2005, 02:34:43 AM »

> Bush never banned same-sex marriages.

He wants to, though, and with a majority-conservative legislature and soon-to-be-all-conservative Supreme Court, he likely thinks he can.

> There is no ban on same-sex marriages at the state level, and even if
> there were, no President could have been responsible for it.

Close that newsmax.com window and start reading the real news.  Dozens of states have enacted same-sex marriage bans, many as a result of the 2004 elections.

> The same-sex marriage ban is at the federal level under the
> Defense of Marriage Act, passed by Congress in 1996 and
> signed by Bill Clinton,

The DoMA does not ban same-sex marriage.  It simply delegates the responsibility of "defining" marriage from the federal government to the individual states.  If Utah wanted to define marriage as between one man and as many women as possible, they could, but other states would not be required to recognize Utah's polygamous marriages.

> who obtained the presidency twice by
> kowtowing to moderates, only to suddenly turn hard-core
> left-wing once he got into office.

Where is the proof of that?  And even if that's what he did, so what?  Under the Clinton years, Americans were happy, healthy, wealthy, and peaceful, and that's far more than what either Bush can claim about his presidency.

> Nobody has taken away anybody's right to choose.  A woman
> can choose to abstain.  A woman can choose to use a
> contraceptive.  A woman can choose to demand that her
> partner use a contraceptive.  A woman can choose to put the
> child up for adoption.  A woman can choose to raise the
> child.  A woman can even choose an abortion.

A woman can also give you the finger and tell you it's about time the Religious Right stopped trying to legislate what she can and cannot do with her own body.

> Abortion isn't going away, even if all nine justices are conservative.
 
Maybe so, but you can be damn well sure they'll try to make it go away.

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Re: So why should Bush listen to liberals about his Supreme Court choice?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2005, 04:18:00 AM »

> > On the other hand....look at how orrin hatch and clinton
> > consulted and it worked well for all....bush is not that
> > classy or smart to work comprimise...he thinks a fight is
> > the only way to handle an issue....
>
> You're wrong.  Senators Orrin Hatch and Charles Schumer were
> guests on the Meet The Press radio show last Sunday.  During
> the interview, Sen. Hatch stated that President Bush has
> already consulted with more Democrats on this upcoming
> nomination than President Clinton ever did.  Sen. Schumer
> did not deny that.
>

Because a lot of senators are getting calls from WH staff...its not consulting..but its a good first step...like Schumer said....if Bush personally has a discussion anything like hatch and clinton had ......then id say he is trying...today will be a checkpoint...he claimed today he would meet Reid, Leahy, etc....regarding the replacement ....
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Re: Read my lips...
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2005, 07:35:23 AM »

Abortion won't go away even in the highly unlikely event that Roe vs. Wade is overturned..it simp[ly reverts to the state and if the majority in each state want legal abortion to continue, they;ll get it. It would have been better if the Supreme Court hadn't legislated this from th ebench in the first place, and the reason there's such a backlash against gay marriage is actvists trying to get the courts toimpose it against the will of the people, instead of those who want gay marriage using the political process and getting a majority to agree with them.

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Re: So why should Bush listen to liberals about his Supreme Court choice?
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 09:43:03 AM »

> I heard a story about house parties being held all over the
> state of Ohio to encourage President Bush to nominate a
> Supreme Court justice to replace Sandra Day O'Connor who
> would be a "moderate" (or liberal). Tell me why exactly Bush
> should listen..in other words, what's in it for him? Will
> the liberals like him better? Of course not! T

Agreed--and conservatives/Republicans may have made a mistake by agreeing
to the "no filibuster except in 'special circumstances'" compromise. The
Dems/liberals will consider EVERY circumstance a special one, and
certainly SCOTUS (SupremeCourtOfTheUS) nominations will be considered
that way.

Supposedly Drudge got word of talking points sent out by moveon.org
in which liberals are urged to not seem so extreme/strident in dealing
with the President on this issue. In other words, folks, take off
those "Bush Is Hitler" buttons before you meet with the Commander in
Chief, as it may give the "wrong impression"

The latest, via Drudge: "WAR:

"Sen. John McCain [R-AZ] Strong Words On Supreme Court Nomination At Dallas Fundraiser: 'During the campaign, President Bush said he will appoint judges who will strictly interpret the constitution... thinking anything else is either amnesia or ignorance... elections have consequences... whomever he nominates deserves an up or down vote and no filibuster... and an up or down vote is what we will have'..."
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2005, 02:12:34 PM »

> > Bush never banned same-sex marriages.
>
> He wants to, though, and with a majority-conservative
> legislature and soon-to-be-all-conservative Supreme Court,
> he likely thinks he can.

Wrong, boy.

What's conservative about a court that decided that eminent domain can be used to enrich developers at the expense of homeowners?

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Re: So why should Bush listen to liberals about his Supreme Court choice?
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2005, 02:36:31 PM »

>>Is the filibuster ever OK to use? Republicans used it all the time in the past- what is the big deal- why didn't republicans stand against it then?<<


Republicans have used the filibuster  perhaps twice, both times in situations where the nominee would not have been approved had a vote taken place.  The primary use of the filibuster legislatively was by Democrats to prevent the passage of civil rights laws.
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Re: Eminent domain
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2005, 05:25:44 PM »

> Wrong, boy.

Says who, old fart?

> What's conservative about a court that decided that eminent
> domain can be used to enrich developers at the expense of
> homeowners?

What's conservative about it, you ask?  The answer is simple: Greed.

Don't confuse Conservatives with Conservationists.  You would think conservatives would be more interested in conserving our environment (both natural and residential), but more often than not, conservatives favor Big Business, Big Developers, and Big Polluters.

Why do you think Whitman resigned from the EPA?  As a moderate, she found that Bush's administration is not exactly friendly to the goals and objectives of an agency that is supposed to protect the environment.

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Re: Read my lips...
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2005, 05:32:13 PM »

> Abortion won't go away even in the highly unlikely event
> that Roe vs. Wade is overturned..it simply reverts to the
> state and if the majority in each state want legal abortion
> to continue, they;ll get it.

Well then, why don't we send the Prohibition back to the states?  Or racial integration?  Women's suffrage?  Affirmative action?  Megan's Law?

There are some social issues which I just don't think have any relevancy to "the will of the people" in individual states.  Things like gun control, yes, because people in Texas have different issues relating to guns than people in New York do.  But abortion?  Women get pregnant no matter where you are on earth, and women WILL have abortions no matter where you are on earth -- regardless if it is legal or not!

> It would have been better if
> the Supreme Court hadn't legislated this from th ebench in
> the first place, and the reason there's such a backlash
> against gay marriage is actvists trying to get the courts
> to impose it against the will of the people, instead of those
> who want gay marriage using the political process and
> getting a majority to agree with them.
 
Racial integration was "imposed against the will of the people".  Does that mean it was wrong for it to be enacted on a nationwide basis?  Should the Southern states still be allowed to have slavery, if that's "the will of the people"?

The idea of interracial marriage being put up for popular vote on a state-by-state basis is ludicrous -- either it's legal in the whole USA, or it's not.  Therefore I don't see why same-sex marriage is any different.

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954
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Re: Eminent domain
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2005, 05:38:20 PM »

> > Wrong, boy.
> Says who, old fart?
> > What's conservative about a court that decided that
> eminent
> > domain can be used to enrich developers at the expense of
> > homeowners?
>
> What's conservative about it, you ask?  The answer is
> simple: Greed.

The greed of the big government liberals who see eminent domain used for redevopment as a way to increase municipal budgets. Politacal hacks who have no regard for individual rights and private property when by taking it they can "serve the greater good." That's marxist philosophy, not conservative.

The conservatives (and moderates, too) see it as another big government power grab. Even though big government in this case is not the feds, but a corporation given eminent domain powers by the city. Granted, the so-called conservatives of the religious right who run the GOP today are not conservative by any dictionary definition. But that's another thread, another day.

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