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Author Topic: WGN fires up HD Radio again - Chicago HD Radio  (Read 1921 times)
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Re: WGN fires up HD Radio again - Chicago HD Radio
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2007, 12:43:01 PM »

Burns said:
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As more listeners purchase IBOC radios and they appear in cars, these system backups will be put into place.

Apparently HD radios won't be in "millions of new cars" anytime in this decade. HD supporters lied, again (or should that be, STILL).
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When will GM, the world's largest automaker and a major shareholder in XM Satellite Radio, begin offering HD Radio receivers in its new vehicles? Lazer said the company is consumer-oriented and will take the lead from new-car buyers when the demand is clear.
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,63193.0.html

I'll take GM's word for it, that there is no clear consumer demand for HD radio.
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Re: WGN fires up HD Radio again - Chicago HD Radio
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2007, 01:18:26 PM »

I received an Email from a former employee who has been following this thread.  He is one who has the uncanny ability to “dig up dirt” in this industry.  Be it from the halls of the largest corporate cluster, or just some Podunk off-air station in Potosi—I jokingly call him the “Matt Drudge of Radio” for his tenacious talents.  He thinks that he may have come upon the “real” story behind the vanishing IBOC at WCBS:

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“[Hippo], I can’t believe what I’m reading on R-I regarding the “fried hard drive” in the IBOC exciter at WCBS AM.  Mr. Burns seems to be putting off some smoke (pardon the pun).  How near-sighted can some of those poor souls be to actually believe that a defective hard drive, or PC card, resulted in a prolonged loss of HD service at (of all places) a 50kw Cartel-owned station in the largest radio market.  Hell, we all know how much iBiquity cherishes those high-profile stations for nothing else than a resume item.  Do you REALLY BELIEVE they’d allow one to “quit buzzing” over something so small as a hard drive conking out?

And those God-awful DigiCarts... What a perfect example of quirky equipment that (at least) could be fixed without a trip back to 360 [Systems] on a Fed-Ex overnight.  I remember [our engineer] spread out on the lobby floor on a Sunday afternoon replacing hard drives, EPROMs, and even a circuit board.  But within an hour, that cranky fella was back on duty in the FM control room.  If ANY piece of vital equipment in this industry is MORE problematic than a DigiCart, it has NO PLACE in the transmission chain.  I say, make damn sure your science fair project works BEFORE you charge some station a hundred-grand for it!

As for the sudden lack of IBOC on WCBS AM, I suggest you browse around and sniff out the bottom line.  I hear from my infamous (but mostly-reliable) sources that CJBC Toronto has had enough of the WCBS IBOC interference and has finally put their foot down at the CRTC.  Maybe that explains why WCBS’ IBOC exciter is back in Maryland for an extended stay.”


CJBC Toronto operates as the “dominant clear” offering French-language programming in eastern Canada with 50kw ND-U on CANADIAN clear channel 860kHz.  From the “git-go” Canada was not a “player” in the IBOC experiment.  In fact, they bear significant responsibility for the current prohibition on nighttime use of IBOC by stations in the United States.  Furthermore, we are well-aware of the CRTC’s protective stance toward their designated “clear channels”, and sensitivity toward any infringement or interference caused on these frequencies.  Just a basic understanding of the occupied bandwidth demanded by IBOC is needed to complete this equation.  A search of the FCC site reveals only one unrelated document, but could the matter be in “private litigation”?  Any snifters wish to take a stab at this one?
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Re: WGN fires up HD Radio again - Chicago HD Radio
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2007, 01:32:42 PM »

I received an Email from a former employee who has been following this thread.  He is one who has the uncanny ability to “dig up dirt” in this industry.  Be it from the halls of the largest corporate cluster, or just some Podunk off-air station in Potosi—I jokingly call him the “Matt Drudge of Radio” for his tenacious talents.  He thinks that he may have come upon the “real” story behind the vanishing IBOC at WCBS:

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“[Hippo], I can’t believe what I’m reading on R-I regarding the “fried hard drive” in the IBOC exciter at WCBS AM.  Mr. Burns seems to be putting off some smoke (pardon the pun).  How near-sighted can some of those poor souls be to actually believe that a defective hard drive, or PC card, resulted in a prolonged loss of HD service at (of all places) a 50kw Cartel-owned station in the largest radio market.  Hell, we all know how much iBiquity cherishes those high-profile stations for nothing else than a resume item.  Do you REALLY BELIEVE they’d allow one to “quit buzzing” over something so small as a hard drive conking out?

And those God-awful DigiCarts... What a perfect example of quirky equipment that (at least) could be fixed without a trip back to 360 [Systems] on a Fed-Ex overnight.  I remember [our engineer] spread out on the lobby floor on a Sunday afternoon replacing hard drives, EPROMs, and even a circuit board.  But within an hour, that cranky fella was back on duty in the FM control room.  If ANY piece of vital equipment in this industry is MORE problematic than a DigiCart, it has NO PLACE in the transmission chain.  I say, make damn sure your science fair project works BEFORE you charge some station a hundred-grand for it!

As for the sudden lack of IBOC on WCBS AM, I suggest you browse around and sniff out the bottom line.  I hear from my infamous (but mostly-reliable) sources that CJBC Toronto has had enough of the WCBS IBOC interference and has finally put their foot down at the CRTC.  Maybe that explains why WCBS’ IBOC exciter is back in Maryland for an extended stay.”


CJBC Toronto operates as the “dominant clear” offering French-language programming in eastern Canada with 50kw ND-U on CANADIAN clear channel 860kHz.  From the “git-go” Canada was not a “player” in the IBOC experiment.  In fact, they bear significant responsibility for the current prohibition on nighttime use of IBOC by stations in the United States.  Furthermore, we are well-aware of the CRTC’s protective stance toward their designated “clear channels”, and sensitivity toward any infringement or interference caused on these frequencies.  Just a basic understanding of the occupied bandwidth demanded by IBOC is needed to complete this equation.  A search of the FCC site reveals only one unrelated document, but could the matter be in “private litigation”?  Any snifters wish to take a stab at this one?

Funny, didn't IBACers say that iBiquity/HD radio was approved in Canada?
Does anyone else see the massive deception that keeps building, from the cartel and it's supporters?
Every lie, takes several more to cover it up, and escalates the deception.
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Re: WGN fires up HD Radio again - Chicago HD Radio
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2007, 01:39:04 PM »

"Digital radio in Canada"

"only comprehensive technical comments came from the CBC. They stated that AM-IBOC "...would create a serious degradation in sound quality for existing AM stations." (*all* AM stations, not just the ones adopting IBOC) They also state that due to interference concerns, "...IBOC transmission at night is not practical." As for FM-IBOC, implementation "...would require additional first and second adjacent channel coordination." and "...would make it difficult to coordinate the CBC's network operations." (presumably, they'd have trouble finding FM spectrum for expansion of Radio Two and the French-language services). The Commission concurs with the CBC: "...digital IBOC signals will add a certain amount of noise to a station's analog signal, marginally reducing its effective service area." and "...IBOC signals can degrade the service areas of technically related stations located in the same or adjacent markets." (both of these premises have been presented by DXers in the U.S. and are generally denied by IBOC supporters. It is interesting to see them accepted, on the record, by the Canadian regulatory authorities.)"

http://americanbandscan.blogspot.com/2006/12/digital-radio-in-canada.html
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