"HD DOA"

[clouseau]

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Both Jerry and Mark Ramsey are correct in their assessments that HD Radio is DOA

An opinion by you misrepresented as a fact.  Is it a condition?  STOP.

- the hoopla surrounding the new iBiquity rebate program and the announcement by Radiosophy concerning the new HD100 have failed to generate any consumer interest

I won't repeat it because I don't like being redundant...Opinion or fact

- as a matter of fact, looks as if a few consumers checked out the rebates at hdradio.com/rebate, and now the number of hits on hdradio.com has nose-dived to zero.

1) Google Stats.  Not a correlation as shown before.  It's junk science.

2) Even if we believed it, you have misrepreented it.  Look at the actual chart.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

As far as consumers are concerned, HD Radio is DOA, and that is all that matters.
No amout of writing propaganda or opinion will make it any more valid.  Why should we believe you.  YOU POST YOUR OPINION LIKE IT WAS A FACT.



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[PocketRadio]

2) Even if we believed it, you have misrepreented it.  Look at the actual chart.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Google Trends for "HD Radio":

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Google Trends for "HD Radio", XM, and Sirius:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22%2C+xm%2C+sirius&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

I thought the same thing, that the graph for HD Radio alone looked impressive, until I ran "HD Radio" against its competing technologies, Sirius and XM Radio - you have to put things into perspective.

[Mike Walker]

First of all Sirius and XM are not "competing technologies", any more than over the air TV is a "competing technology" to Cable or Satellite. In the real world, much of what goes over the air on XM and Sirius (including ENTIRE CHANNELS like 700 WLW and XM Public Radio) originates on over the air radio. XM is partially owned by Clear Channel, the largest owner of terrestrial radio stations. The technologies COMPLIMENT each other.

It's like saying that since I'm an NPR listener (and all NPR stations in my area are FM), I'm speeding AM's demise. Hardly. I spend plenty of time listening to AM, and shortwave, and XM (I can't stomach the poor sound quality on Sirius...sorry). HD is an augmentation of terrestrial radio, because every single HD listener IS LISTENING TO A TERRESTRIAL STATION. If it's a competition, with between 200 and 300 million listeners to terrestrial, and less than 30 million TOTAL listeners to satellite, well...satellite loses.

That's a wonderful illustration of the silliness of "Google Trends". Satellite radio is leveling off, just as satellite tv did years ago...as the total number of people who are willing to pay for programming via satellite comes closer to being served. What matters is the TOTAL NUMBER OF LISTENERS. And ALL COMERS lose to terrestrial radio on that score, as terrestrial has a phenomenal launching pad for new technology...hundreds of millions of EXISTING listeners! Any assessment of the "weakness" of HD that doesn't factor in the tremendous STRENGTH of the platform from which it is being launched (terrestrial radio), is fatally flawed.

[clouseau]

Your portfolio...

now the number of hits on hdradio.com has nose-dived to zero.

You are not only posting your opinion as a fact,  you are posting flat out deceptions as facts.  I would say it is impossible to "nose dive to Zero" if the overall trend is up. 

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Read the trend in the link.  View the claim of the poster above.

I thought the same thing, that the graph for HD Radio alone looked impressive, until I ran "HD Radio" against its competing technologies, Sirius and XM Radio - you have to put things into perspective.

Which one of the two above do you want us to believe, the "Nose Dive To Zero" or the "looks impressive until..."

 Clouseau

[PocketRadio]

"If Terrestrial Radio Broadcasters Don't Compete With Satellite Radio... Why Are They So Concerned With The Merger?"

"However, there's almost no way to make sense of the testimony of David Rehr, President of the NAB, to the House Judiciary Committee on why the merger should not be allowed. He starts out by saying that the merger would create a monopoly. However, if that's true, then it's not clear why he's an interested party at all. He's there representing the terrestrial radio broadcasters -- and the more that he complains about this merger, the more that it sounds like those broadcasters absolutely do view the satellite radio companies as direct competition. In fact, the terrestrial broadcasters have publicly admitted that they face strong competition from satellite radio. If those broadcasters are so worried that the satellite radio firms would "abuse" their so-called monopoly position to raise rates, then wouldn't that represent a huge opportunity for terrestrial radio to win back listeners? In the meantime, we're still wondering how the NAB can say with a straight face that satellite radio doesn't compete with terrestrial radio, while at the same time demanding a relaxation of media ownership rules and using satellite radio as an example of why old media ownership rules no longer apply."

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070228/160543.shtml

"Sirius, XM, and HD: Consumer interest reality check"

"Through Google you can track web searches. But searches are a different matter from actual traffic. Using the web traffic tracking service Alexaholic, one can track a partial representation of traffic to any number of websites. Finally, note the traffic for HDRadio.com which, although not a destination on the order of Sirius or XM, is the go-to site for further information about HD in many HD radio ads and promotions and is, thus, a good metric to gauge consumer interest... While interest in satellite radio is diminishing, interest in HD shows no signs of a pulse."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/02/sirius_xm_and_h.html

As I pointed out earlier:

http://www.statsaholic.com/hdradio.com

Statsaholic is the most accurate, and undenialble measure of the lack of interest in HD Radio (hdradio.com) and HD Radio rebates (hdradio.com/rebate). Google Trends is just another tool to confirm the Statsaholic's results. As we can see, Rehr's statements to Congress are a total contradiction in that HD Radio is not competing with Satellite Radio - as a matter of fact, HD Radio subscriptions, due out this Fall, position HD Radio smack with Satellite Radio, in the minds of consumers.

[PocketRadio]

Your portfolio...

now the number of hits on hdradio.com has nose-dived to zero.

You are not only posting your opinion as a fact,  you are posting flat out deceptions as facts.  I would say it is impossible to "nose dive to Zero" if the overall trend is up. 

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Read the trend in the link.  View the claim of the poster above.

I thought the same thing, that the graph for HD Radio alone looked impressive, until I ran "HD Radio" against its competing technologies, Sirius and XM Radio - you have to put things into perspective.

Which one of the two above do you want us to believe, the "Nose Dive To Zero" or the "looks impressive until..."

 Clouseau

http://**Please use the full length URL, as url shorteners expire**

Compared to Satellite Radio's 12 million subscribers, interest in HD Radio is a flat line, with Google Trends - that upward trend is actually a flat line compared to Satellite Radio.  But for now on, I shall use Statsaholic, because the results are undeniable.

[R.F. Burns]

Your portfolio...

now the number of hits on hdradio.com has nose-dived to zero.

You are not only posting your opinion as a fact,  you are posting flat out deceptions as facts.  I would say it is impossible to "nose dive to Zero" if the overall trend is up. 

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd+radio%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Read the trend in the link.  View the claim of the poster above.

I thought the same thing, that the graph for HD Radio alone looked impressive, until I ran "HD Radio" against its competing technologies, Sirius and XM Radio - you have to put things into perspective.

Which one of the two above do you want us to believe, the "Nose Dive To Zero" or the "looks impressive until..."

 Clouseau

http://**Please use the full length URL, as url shorteners expire**

Compared to Satellite Radio's 12 million subscribers, interest in HD Radio is a flat line, with Google Trends - that upward trend is actually a flat line compared to Satellite Radio.  But for now on, I shall use Statsaholic, because the results are undeniable.

C'mon, Satellite radio is in deep trouble. Why else do you think they want a monopoly? I have lots of knowledge about satellite radio and what goes on there. HD radio is a move into the 21st century, Satellite radio is a service which too few Americans care to support. The 12 milion is a red herring. How many are actual subscribers and how many got it free whn they bought a new car. I have loads of "free" Xm music channels with my directv. I never listen to them. Who wants to listen to radio on television anyway?

[clouseau]

Statsaholic is the most accurate, and undenialble measure of the lack of interest in HD Radio (hdradio.com) and HD Radio rebates (hdradio.com/rebate).

I would say that you are mistaken.
Stataholic is powered by Alexa. Alexa get's its info from those who use "The Alexa Toolbar".

Of specific interest is the line on their site...

The traffic rank is based on three months of aggregated historical traffic data from millions of Alexa Toolbar users

Anyone here have one of these Data Mining Toolbars on their computer?

Here's the link.  And you call HD radio a charade. 
http://www.alexa.com/site/help/traffic_learn_more#reach

This is REALLY enlightening.  Especially if you sit down and actually figure out their methodology.  (They put it all on the site,  but you have to dig around a little.)

Here's some of the ADMITTED shorcomings.

Our users are disproportionately likely to visit sites that are featured on alexa.com

The extent to which our sample may overcount or undercount users of the various browsers is unknown.

The extent to which our sample may overcount or undercount users of various operating systems is unknown.

In some cases traffic data may also be adversely affected by our "site" definitions.

The rate of adoption of Alexa software in different parts of the world may vary widely

It's my thought that anyone that allows an outside company to place this data miner on their computer gets what they deserve.
Yep,  an executable addition to my computer that reports where I go and what I do to an outside entity and then "Helps Me" find what I'm looking for. Call me paranoid,  but I'll wear the tin foil hat on this one.

And we're to believe this "most accurate, and undenialble measure"?

Heck, Bridge Ratings with their shopping mall surveys might be more accurate.
Clouseau

[PocketRadio]

I would say that you are mistaken. Stataholic is powered by Alexa. Alexa get's its info from those who use "The Alexa Toolbar".

Wrong - "Statsaholic is not affiliated with Alexa.com, but depends on them exclusively for the traffic chart images."

[dumber than a box of hair]

I would say that you are mistaken. Stataholic is powered by Alexa. Alexa get's its info from those who use "The Alexa Toolbar".

Wrong - "Statsaholic is not affiliated with Alexa.com, but depends on them exclusively for the traffic chart images."

Wrong.  "In addition to the Alexa Crawl, which can tell us what is on the Web, Alexa utilizes web usage information, which tells us what is being seen on the web. This information comes from the community of Alexa Toolbar users. Each member of the community, in addition to getting a useful tool, is giving back. Simply by using the toolbar each member contributes valuable information about the web, how it is used, what is important and what is not. This information is returned to the community with improved Related Links, Traffic Rankings and more."

(BTW, at the moment, the stataholic.com domain name is "parked."  It's only a links page now.)

Clouseau is exactly right on this one.  Anyone who installs toolbars should be shot.  Every last one of them is spyware.  I don't allow them on any computers connected to the network at my office, and those who install them face termination of their employment.  Anyone using IE7 or Firefox has all the built-in tools they need.

"Useful tool."  Yeah, right.  Useful to Alexa.  Why is it that so many people forget the old adage "nothing is really free?"