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Author Topic: AM BROADCASTERS - CALL TO ACTION  (Read 8307 times)
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AM BROADCASTERS - CALL TO ACTION
« on: August 20, 2007, 06:34:56 AM »

With the imminent rollout of nighttime AM-IBOC now slated for September, I conducted an experiment last night.  I put WYSL in DA-N 500-watt mode during critical hours, to measure the impact of nighttime adjacent-channel interference with a neighboring station's IBOC exciter operating.  I have long fought this "innovation" in industry trades and on the WYSL website, but now must add: the destruction of AM analog service will be much worse than even I thought.  The interference from a 50kw adjacent was terrible, but it's interference that's far more obnoxious than a competing carrier with the usual modulation chatter.  Its effect is exactly like the old shortwave jammers set up for political purposes - the roaring noise under your station will never be tolerated by listeners.

HD-AM is junk-technology unwanted by just about everyone, except Ibiquity, captive big-group corporate engineering exectutives who have been "recruited" by Ibiquity and who have no personal stake either way, the bumbling, amateur political hacks known as "the FCC" and a tiny handful of HD receiver enthusiasts blogging from their mothers' basements.

AM broadcasters have everything at stake here.  In less than 30 days the AM band at night is going to turn into an unlistenable quagmire of noise for 99.98% of listeners, who will leave AM in droves, forever.  The aforementioned HD-AM boosters who think the earth is flat and that consumers will dash out and buy new radios just to get the ballgame clearly, are living in fantasyland.  Many secondary AMs, many of which have a proud history of decades of service to their region - WYSL comes to mind here - will essentially be relegated to involuntary daytimer status. 

Without concerted action by those who believe in AM, by the time the FCC wakes up to the chaos, the damage will be done.  Perhaps this is what the IBOC lunatic-death wish lobby wants: drive away the existing analog audience so there's nothing left to lose, and then make HD-AM manadatory.  Of course you're smart enough to know - the listeners will never come back, analog, digital, Ibiquity, CAM-D or otherwise; they'll have figured out other ways to get their favorite programming via the Internet or satellite.  Now and forever, HD-AM has all the consumer appeal of a $200 electric fork.

This is a call for AM broadcasters - and those who respect the band's 85 year heritage of service - to take action.  Here's what we all can and must do:

1.  Check to see if adjacent-channel IBOC interference is stepping on your nighttime interference-free protected contour.  Have your attorney and consulting engineer prepare and file a complaint with the Commission PROMPTLY. 

2.  Run anti-IBOC promos on your station, urging listeners to complain to the FCC about the reduction in nighttime service.  Because of the technical complexities involved this can be a little challenging, because the average listener's eyes roll back in their head when IBOC is explained.  But I have some promo copy which I think works.  You're welcome to use my copy on your station gratis.  E-mail me: savage@wysl1040.com.

3.  Like most local broadcasters, you must have a connection with your Congressional delegation.  Explain the IBOC interference issue as succinctly as possible and ask for their help in getting relief for your station.  Again, you've got to think this out beforehand.  If you get too technical with politicians they'll just cut you off with "I don't understand all this technical radio stuff.  I'm sure the FCC will work it all out."  You need to hammer home the point that your station can't be helpful to him/her if it's no longer financially viable, and that IBOC is an ill-conceived idea which must be modified or stopped.  Ask him/her to contact the Commission.

4.  Contact local politicians - your County Executive or Chairman of the Board of Supervisors, Mayor, etc.  Point out that the technical "innovation" called IBOC is threatening local radio's survival.  Mention the economic impact, potential of loss of jobs.  Have them complain to the Commission.

The idea here is to inundate the Commission with a tidal wave of complaints.

Stop talking about HD-AM.  Do something about it.  Before we all lose everything. 

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Cal Stymes
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 08:45:06 AM »

Savage is right.  Now is not the time to be quiet.  I advocated this months ago when only the promise of having AM HD-at-night was being contemplated.  The small market AM's are going to be severely injured.  Many of them believe that they are already being severely injured.

The 50 KW AMs will, for the most part, be just fine.  Even Tom Ray said that he didn't hear interference from WLW until he was 85 miles away from WOR's transmitter.  To these stations, the isolated pockets of adjacent channel interference complaints will be not much more than mild annoyances.  But we all really need to worry about what is going to happen to small AM stations.  I become more and more convinced each day that although this hadn't been anticipated even by the fine folks at iBiQuity, a really wonderful side benefit for the large AM operators is that many small AM operators will be driven out of business.

Yes.  The FCC's word IS law.  And that is why it is going to be very difficult for the small AM operators to challenge it.  It is really rather unbelievable what has happened here.  There were some individuals in the federal government who very quietly and seriously questioned what the FCC was doing (hence the rather long delay in the publication of the new FCC rules in the Federal Register) but corporate greed and politics spoke more influentially and these individuals have been temporarily silenced.

We'll all find out very soon what the real effect of night time AM HD will be.  I am anxiously awaiting to see what will happen.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 01:47:19 PM »

I think you are way too late.  I think it is going to happen, the interference will be horrendous, and even advocates are going to be forced to eat their words.  I know how far lightning noise goes at night, now consider continuous lightning strikes in the background, hundreds of thousands per second.  I've already heard IBOC sideband pairs hundreds of miles away, when the analog channel is inaudible.  I just did it again in Northern NM.

My plan is simple: let the fools have their way.  Turn it on at night, as many stations as possible.  Increase the power all they want to try to get decode.  Crank up the sidebands.  I think the band's listenability will be in meltdown, people complaining, lawsuits filed, it may even make it above the threshold of national news.  The FCC will get the blame, we'll have a committee investigations, some heads will roll - nighttime authority rescinded - perhaps re-evaluation of daytime as well as people document that interference is not limited to night. 

Before any of this can happen, we need the public to notice.  Calls to action among the DX community were laughed at.  A million phone calls to the FCC - once the band is jammed - will NOT be laughed at. 

So bring it on, as much interference as they want, let the advocates screw up the band and we will get the public to finally notice the true "potential" of HD radio on AM.  Then, we will be able to get something done, pick up the pieces, and come up with a system that works - such as quarantining this nonsense to another band, or a portion of the AM band.

One thing is for sure, Castro won't take this lightly.  I'm just going to laugh if he decides to put 117 one million watt stations up and down the band in protest.  Go Fidel!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 04:08:46 PM »

You're all correct in your points.

But what difference does it make when our analog receivers respond 150-3Kc.  It's a POTS line audio with a tuner and amp.  The perception is, AM sounds like crap today.  Are we going to flood the market with Chicago plant, Union-made, point-to-point wired, tubed, wideband Zenith radios?  The only positive I see is that the IBOC tuners reveive/decode C-Quam.  Buy 'em up and turn 'em on.

We had our last chance with AMAX and the stereo debates.  We stuck that $200 electric fork in us, and we're done.

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 06:43:24 PM »

You're all correct in your points.......We had our last chance with AMAX and the stereo debates.  We stuck that $200 electric fork in us, and we're done.


As soon as they get the price of these electric forks under $100, $50, $25, $15, $10, $5, $2, these things will be flying off the shelves! Just watch.


 
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 07:19:18 PM »


But what difference does it make when our analog receivers respond 150-3Kc.  It's a POTS line audio with a tuner and amp.  The perception is, AM sounds like crap today.  ......  The only positive I see is that the IBOC tuners reveive/decode C-Quam.  Buy 'em up and turn 'em on.
We had our last chance with AMAX and the stereo debates.  We stuck that $200 electric fork in us, and we're done.


Thats really the point often lost in these debates. All of the solutions for AM's ills require the listener to buy a new radio.

Even if iboc takes-off it will be mostly FM driven w/AM along for the ride. If you are optimistic that new iboc chips embedded into average radios will be on shelves within  year, it will be close to a decade before there are enough to matter.

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 02:36:43 AM »

Of course, a by-product of going IBOC all along was to cut out the small owner/market operators that haven't sold out to a major chain.  The IBOC stations didn't go to the expense for nothing.  And NOW you are upset and want to protest?  Gee, where were you guy's when Docket 99-325 comment period was going on?   You should have protested more then, now it's a little late. The fork is firmly in the side of AM.  What you don't know is that the interference will (by design!) start small because there are only a small percentage of IBOC AMs, and they are keeping the IBOC levels low.  Wait a few months and levels will increase as interference and the number of stations increase. The increase in IBOC levels will be necessary to overcome the increased interference.  (Some of this also applies to the FM system.)
Good luck and enjoy listening to satellite radio. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 05:31:12 AM »

Some great ideas, guys.
Keep up the good work.

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Gee, where were you guy's when Docket 99-325 comment period was going on?
Hundreds responded, (including me) sent in negative comments, including engineering data and protests. The HD cartel, NAB, lobbyists and promoters applied influence, cash, and pressure. All most all negative comments were ignored by the FCC. Now, I guess, we'll wait and see.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 08:06:45 AM »

(hence the rather long delay in the publication of the new FCC rules in the Federal Register)

While emphasizing that I don't disagree with the rest of your post...

The time it took to publish the new rules in the Federal Register was not unusual. 

The 3rd DTV Periodic Review (a non-controversial action involving digital *television*) was published 76 days after it was released by the FCC.

The permanent IBOC rules were published 77 days after FCC release.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 08:39:33 AM »

You're all correct in your points.

But what difference does it make when our analog receivers respond 150-3Kc.  It's a POTS line audio with a tuner and amp.  The perception is, AM sounds like crap today.  Are we going to flood the

I keep reading this - and I've even been called a liar on this forum - but virtually ALL new AM designs (apparently not car radios though) are crappy one IC / one ceramic filter affairs that are extremely wideband and low selectivity.  I've torn down dozens now.  All use one of the same 3 IC's, some don't even use an IF filter at all - they bypass with a capacitor.  That doesn't even qualify as superhet.  Of course, FM performance is usually really good on those radios.  AM is a poor performer.  I've seen radios with an IF bandwidth of +/- 100 kHz, +/- 30 kHz is more typical.  I cannot find a single radio of the old 3 IF can variety manufactured in the past ten years!  Yet THAT is what IBOC advocates keep invoking, and any suggestion to the contrary is met with hostility, ridicule, and even cries that I am lying.  So - I am carefully photographing and documenting every receiver teardown, and will soon put a webpage up proving my point.

So - HD advocates:  it is time to put up or shut up.  My challege is - name a single model of home AM or AM FM radio manufactured in the past 5 years that has 3 IF cans in the AM section - instead of the one IC, one ceramic filter approach which is inherently wideband.  I'll verify either your claim - or bust it.  But it has to be manufactured in the past five years - I'm not interested in a 1980's radio dusted off to make Ibiquity look good.

Simpler than that - post a schematic or photograph of a NEW radio with the old 3 IF can narrowband design - show the inside to prove it.  I don't think you can.
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